Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

[SensontheRush]

Flames fan here. This is...oof. Bad. Kuzmenko has been giving goaltenders sunburns since he got to Calgary. He's been scoring at an unbelievable rate. Despite a PDO that is off the charts high and huge goal and point totals he's -10 in 26 games here with heavy Ozone deployment.

At his worst Lindholm is a better player when it comes to winning hockey games than Kuzmenko is at his best.

Kuzmenko is going to develop this "forever elusive" defensive-minded complete playstyle, or at least get to an acceptable level. He's too skilled and effective a player to not. It's just a matter of time.

Kuzmenko is going to be the more valuable asset over Lindholm from here on out for the rest of their respective careers.

 

[ViD]

It’s not even about whether Kuzmenko is better or not, it’s how much more the Canucks had to add

 

[Double Dion]

Kuzmenko is going to develop this "forever elusive" defensive-minded complete playstyle, or at least get to an acceptable level. He's too skilled and effective a player to not. It's just a matter of time.

Kuzmenko is going to be the more valuable asset over Lindholm from here on out for the rest of their respective careers.

At the moment he's the worst defensive forward I've seen in the NHL since Mike Ribeiro. He doesn't have to be a Selke type or anything. Huberdeau level where he's just bad defensively would be fine given his skill set. But he can't be the worst defensive forward of the last decade and be more valuable than Lindholm.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Well you traded a player that didn’t fit in your system along with a first and 2 prospects for a player to make the team better and help dominate in the playoffs.

If fitting into tocchets system is super critical for success seems pretty relevant question based on your post. The question is clearly relevant to your post - it literally builds off of your topic And content. That’s how discussions work. Unless you wanted me to make the same exact post you were responding to. lol.

Nucks fans - so defensive.

This has nothing to do with what I said. Another poster said Canucks fans's valuation of Kuzmenko changed after the trade, and I pointed out this isn't true.

 

[Mobiandi]

I’m confused at what the expectations are now for Lindholm. Chances are he won’t be a detriment defensively, but he’s been a black hole offensively for far too long now. And the pendulum probably won’t swing the other way when the games get even tighter.

So what exactly are Canucks fans waiting to see in the playoffs that would change anything about this trade

 

[Rowlet]

I’m confused at what the expectations are now for Lindholm. Chances are he won’t be a detriment defensively, but he’s been a black hole offensively for far too long now. And the pendulum probably won’t swing the other way when the games get even tighter.

So what exactly are Canucks fans waiting to see in the playoffs that would change anything about this trade

I want to see him win a shit ton of defensive zone faceoffs so that Miller and Pettersson can start in the offensive zone as much as possible.

 

[Lunatik]

ur health and well being is tied up in this. So I will offer this. Calgary, as of this time, won the trade. Ego back in check now? Feel better? Good. W

They're not a Flames fan, they appear to be a Jets fan.

 

[dgibb10]

At the moment he's the worst defensive forward I've seen in the NHL since Mike Ribeiro. He doesn't have to be a Selke type or anything. Huberdeau level where he's just bad defensively would be fine given his skill set. But he can't be the worst defensive forward of the last decade and be more valuable than Lindholm.

We're literally right back to where we were with Kuzmenko like 6 months ago. It's frankly hilarious

People ignoring all his blatant deficiencies on a 28 year old (no he won't continue to develop), because a 26% shooting covers all flaws.

 

[The don godfather]

Well there goes elias idea of 8 million aav come free agency. Hes playing like a PTO.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Yeah, but what is his history as a head coach? Because being an assistant coach means nothing when it comes to winning anything as a head coach.

This is just being intentionally thick.

Yeah, if he had been an active detriment on a poor team as an assistant coach that would 'mean nothing' compared to being a key component on a Stanley Cup team. There's literally no difference because the guy who posts almost exclusively about Kuzmenko says so.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

I want to see him win a shit ton of defensive zone faceoffs so that Miller and Pettersson can start in the offensive zone as much as possible.

High hopes eh. I’m sure you could have grabbed Ryan Kesler or Stephane Yelle for a lot cheaper

Congrats on trading five assets for a face off specialist

 

[eviohh26]

A lot of bickering about a 1 dimensional player that was a liability for us. Even if Lindholm does nothing point wise he can be trusted defensively, can win face offs and gives our Center depth.

As for the prospects we gave up I'm not too worried about them. One doesn't want to play here and more than likely has no place on this team with Hughes and Hronek here. We have better D Prospects that would make the team before he does if he even makes the NHL.

Late 1st and someone that the team saw as a cap dump for Lindholm isn't near as bad as people are making it out to seem. Good on Kuz for playing well in Calgary but I'm happy I don't have to watch him ride the pine in the playoffs. Plus 5M to resign players we need. If the 5 M is used to resign Joshua and DeSmith I will be happy.

 

[Kshahdoo]

This is just being intentionally thick.

Yeah, if he had been an active detriment on a poor team as an assistant coach that would 'mean nothing' compared to being a key component on a Stanley Cup team. There's literally no difference because the guy who posts almost exclusively about Kuzmenko says so.

Lol, you're kinda weird, there are tons of examples when assistant coaches became HCs and failed miserably, like really a lot of examples.

 

[bleedgreen]

So is it Hoglander or a player “like” Hoglander?

The goal posts are moving already.

The Pens didn’t even get back a true first in the trade and the only way it becomes a 1st is if the Hurricanes make the Stanley cup.

Why even bring up the low 1st when the Hurricanes first has equal chances of being just as low as the Canucks? So the Pens ultimately received a very low second.

If you don’t think the Canucks having their 1st in the negotiation would have played a major part in getting Guentzel…

All I can do is chuckle to myself and move on.

The Pens are getting Philly’s second rounder, not the Canes.

 

[Rowlet]

High hopes eh. I’m sure you could have grabbed Ryan Kesler or Stephane Yelle for a lot cheaper

Congrats on trading five assets for a face off specialist

I don't even consider Jurmo an asset as the team wasn't going to sign him.

A 1st, prospect and cap dump is the standard for getting the best C on the market at the time. It just so happens that the first was 32nd overall at the time, the prospect didn't want to sign in Vancouver, and the coach hated the roster player.

All the recent cup winners have 3 very good centers. If Lindholm can anchor the forwards defensively and give Pettersson and Miller more space to score then that's a big win. If Lindholm can bring some offense by playing on Miller's wing or from the third line then that's a bonus.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I have. And his defensive stats are very close to what I have seen. Not good.

So you haven't watched him play then

lol. what do you call it when you think someone thinks Kuz is better than Lindholm and you lose your mind? Seems like someone’s a little sensitive….

No need to get worked up about a 3C. He’s not even top 6. Won’t be a big factor in the Canucks playoffs.


Epic meltdown is epic.

Counter-argument equals meltdown, ok then...

If someones opinion on HF made me "lose my mind" I wouldn't come on HF anymore, you know, because losing your mind over some random persons opinion on an arbitrary thing is ridiculous.

Man you are simply wrong here. Take the L and move on.

Yes and your opinion over my facts surely proves that.........imagine having an ego this big... LOL

 

[kylbaz]

Thank you Canucks for taking Lindholm so we had to take Monahan. Much love.

 

[HolyGhost]

The project STOPPED working in Vancouver and they are in a WIN now mode. Them moving that contract out make this a win for them

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Thank you Canucks for taking Lindholm so we had to take Monahan. Much love.

Good luck with the Avs, your gonna need it.

 

[HolyGhost]

Ahh so now its the sources, before it was only of HF, lol it was widely reported which means it's within the realm of possibility that it's exactly what happened, of course none of us know, but speculation from people in the know is better to go off of than someones opinion on HF. If you can't understand that I don't know what to tell ya bud.

The Pens wanted an actual player that could help them win now, this was widely speculated, and given what happened makes complete sense,, like, your literally arguing your opinion as fact here over what was said all along in the media, we offered a 1st next year (which is supposed to be a much deeper draft) and they said no, they weren't enamoured with draft picks, they wanted guys that we couldn't afford to give up like Hog, Lekk, and WIllander, having a 1st wouldn't have changed that.

I can't possibly make that more clear for you, unless reading comprehension is beyond you.

You can't possibly know that, my god, the level of delusion.

as we have seen, the media is ONLY told what teams want them to know. Look at how foolish some media guys now look after the Arizona news. They all now "claim" the said they would move this off season. But looking back at what they ACTUALLY said? When Frank S released his article---all media guys said he had it wrong. Clearly he did not and all these insiders "What I said and what I meant" is the latest trend

 

[Bankerguy]

Canucks fan here.
I'm happy for Calgary, they got a decenet package and i'm happy for Kuzy. He's a great dude.
i dont think the add on's are THAT great. Bruz is a nice piece. Late 1st is late 1st and Jurmo is bust. Brz has legit bust potential too.
Vancouver had to take a swing.. you never know how these things work out. Lindholm is looking decent lately and gives Van good depth...faceoffs, two-way play and his take-away give-away is insane. He's now playing with Garly and Joshua and they may be that third scoring line that can shutdown whoever they're playing against.

Van couldnt do nothing, this is a cinderella season for them, you have to take a shot. Lindholm isnt scoring at a PPG pace, sure...but he's still a good player ... i hope Kuzy keeps scoring and can find the defensive zone ... Canada needs strong teams so i do actually hope this trade works for Calgary

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

as we have seen, the media is ONLY told what teams want them to know. Look at how foolish some media guys now look after the Arizona news. They all now "claim" the said they would move this off season. But looking back at what they ACTUALLY said? When Frank S released his article---all media guys said he had it wrong. Clearly he did not and all these insiders "What I said and what I meant" is the latest trend

Oh completely, but their are more legs to a story speculated by many media people than to one random dude on HF who doesn't wanna admit that he might be wrong.

 

[sting101]

Certainly have had some reservations about losing Kuzmenko as he's such a fantastic talent but in a cap world when a player makes north of 4-5 million they have to be able to play significant minutes without being a liability if you want to win.

Kuz has some runway to still improve and if he finds that groove or even becomes a trade chip for Calgary that nets more returns it was a home run for Conroy as the other assets paid were pretty much aligned with a premium rental price. In the meantime it should put a big smile on Flames fans faces watching him

Though some are trying to dunk on Vancouver Lindholm looks like a fantastic shut down C with Garland and Joshua. Having the depth down the middle is more important than a mercurial untrusted top6 scorer (in Vancouver). 3C was a question mark and match up negative with Blueger now it's a line that is going to be a big issue for the opposition and also should give Miller and Pettersson better starts and match ups 5v5

Great for Calgary and Conroy that was able to snag another asset and im really interested to see how this unfolds. Seems like such an infinitely better return than what Hanifin got which hurts as a divisional rival of Vegas.

Really excited for the Canucks. We're gonna be very hard to score on if Demko comes back in form and still have many offensive weapons.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Canucks fan here.
I'm happy for Calgary, they got a decenet package and i'm happy for Kuzy. He's a great dude.
i dont think the add on's are THAT great. Bruz is a nice piece. Late 1st is late 1st and Jurmo is bust. Brz has legit bust potential too.
Vancouver had to take a swing.. you never know how these things work out. Lindholm is looking decent lately and gives Van good depth...faceoffs, two-way play and his take-away give-away is insane. He's now playing with Garly and Joshua and they may be that third scoring line that can shutdown whoever they're playing against.

Van couldnt do nothing, this is a cinderella season for them, you have to take a shot. Lindholm isnt scoring at a PPG pace, sure...but he's still a good player ... i hope Kuzy keeps scoring and can find the defensive zone ... Canada needs strong teams so i do actually hope this trade works for Calgary

Just curious, why would you think he's a bust? Flames just signed him and has never played a game in NA yet

 

[FerklundCGY]

Kuzmenko up to 17 points in his last 9 games

7 more points in that stretch than Lindholm has in 24 games as a Canuck.

Woof