Confirmed with Link: UPDATE: Contract Terminated - Arizona signs Alex Galchenyuk - 1 year, 2-way, 775k contract

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We talk about many ex Coyote's players and coaches. What's the big deal?
i'm just saying eventually an arrest made to someone no longer under contract to the organization isn't worth talking about. If we thought he would be a good asset to sign in the future then have at it but i think that ship has sailed and it ain't coming back.
 

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I made no blanket statements. Something like “once an addict always an addict” would qualify, however. It’s that kind of bumper sticker wisdom that tends to irritate me.
It's not wisdom, that's how addiction works; it has rewired the learning and memory pathways of the brain and it takes a lot of work to get the brain to rewire it back. Not only that, but once an addiction has occurred and recovery has happened, if one is re-exposed, relapse can occur readily because those pathways still exist, they've just been paved over. Think of it like returning to riding a bike after years of not riding. All that muscle memory comes back rather quickly because it's learned behavior and all its connections just being rejiggered back into action. This is also why former alcoholics don't allow themselves a single drink as it'll just spiral downward from there.
 

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It's not wisdom, that's how addiction works; it has rewired the learning and memory pathways of the brain and it takes a lot of work to get the brain to rewire it back. Not only that, but once an addiction has occurred and recovery has happened, if one is re-exposed, relapse can occur readily because those pathways still exist, they've just been paved over. Think of it like returning to riding a bike after years of not riding. All that muscle memory comes back rather quickly because it's learned behavior and all its connections just being rejiggered back into action. This is also why former alcoholics don't allow themselves a single drink as it'll just spiral downward from there.
That might be true for some people. And that’s most definitely what gets repeated a lot. But it’s also definitely not true for all people.
 
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This is propaganda. I know a lot of people who quit drinking or quit doing drugs. Myself included. I don’t know anyone who had professional help in so doing. Myself included.

It’s not a one size fits all. And unfortunately there is a religion of recovery that’s more like a cult than it is a resource. And it’s a powerful shaper of mainstream messaging.

Some people get professional help for problems like this. Others get help from church or family. And some just stop. Anyone who tells you there’s only one right way either has an agenda or have been tricked by somebody else with an agenda.
Then you weren't addicted. IF Gally was addicted, and it sounds like he is, then he needs professional help. Church, family etc. all helps, but if a person is addicted those are only band aid solutions. Even the professionals can only do so much.
 

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Then you weren't addicted.
This is very embarrassing.
IF Gally was addicted, and it sounds like he is, then he needs professional help. Church, family etc. all helps, but if a person is addicted those are only band aid solutions. Even the professionals can only do so much.
Haha. Jake is telling me to “trust the science”. Now I’ve seen it all.
 

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Am I remembering correctly that the Leafs were trying to sign him for 2 years at about a million after his season there but he chose free agency as he had overestimated his value? Hope he gets it together, he kinda likeable.
 

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Then you weren't addicted.

but if a person is addicted those are only band aid solutions. Even the professionals can only do so much.
Regardless of whether or not Galchenyuk has turned over a new leaf, and regardless of whether or not this is relevant to this particular thread, you don't dismiss someone's problems in their past by making a blanket statement. You don't know shit about other people's lives or problems and how they cope with that is their own business and not yours. Last I checked none of us were neurosurgeons or scientists and it's incredibly rude to dismiss someone else as lying or stupid because you have a different opinion to them. Nobody on this earth knows everything about the brain and how it works and nobody on this earth knows exactly how addiction effects one's brain completely because like it or not it is different for everyone.

You're being an incredibly insensitive dick (not that RT probably cares that much) with these statements.
 

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That might be true for some people. And that’s most definitely what gets repeated a lot. But it’s also definitely not true for all people.
Like virtually everything in life there's a spectrum when it comes to addiction and recovery and I agree it's not a one size fits all. I will say thanks to the fear mongering out there a lot of people fail to distinguish between someone who abuses alcohol and someone who is addicted to it. There is a very big difference!
 

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Maybe he didn't stop at all.
Likely.

Like virtually everything in life there's a spectrum when it comes to addiction and recovery and I agree it's not a one size fits all. I will say thanks to the fear mongering out there a lot of people fail to distinguish between someone who abuses alcohol and someone who is addicted to it. There is a very big difference!
True.

The recovery industry I believe has now outpaced the tobacco industry in this country. Something like 50 Billion dollars. Not exactly sure. But it’s like that. Doesn’t mean it’s dirty or bad or wrong. But it means it’s big business. So it has marketing and lobbying and stakes. Is what it is.
 

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Like virtually everything in life there's a spectrum when it comes to addiction and recovery and I agree it's not a one size fits all. I will say thanks to the fear mongering out there a lot of people fail to distinguish between someone who abuses alcohol and someone who is addicted to it. There is a very big difference!
Probably good to make that distinction. I think people a lot of the time mistake abuse for addiction. Sometimes they work together and sometimes they’re separate. Someone could drink one drink a day and be an alcoholic if they are dependent on that one drink a day to feel normal. They’re not abusing it but are addicted. Then someone else could drink once or twice a week but every time they do they get blackout drunk…abuse not necessarily addiction. Like you said, there’s a spectrum. Hopefully Gally figures it out for himself and his family…always seemed like a likeable dude.
 
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The recovery industry I believe has now outpaced the tobacco industry in this country. Something like 50 Billion dollars. Not exactly sure. But it’s like that. Doesn’t mean it’s dirty or bad or wrong. But it means it’s big business. So it has marketing and lobbying and stakes. Is what it is.
Yep. I dropped 6 grand less than 2 years ago just to go through the detox portion of treatment for physical alcohol dependency.
And I gotta say, it’s funny reading people ague over addiction without going through it themselves. Re-wire your brain? Wtf?
 

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Yep. I dropped 6 grand less than 2 years ago just to go through the detox portion of treatment for physical alcohol dependency.
And I gotta say, it’s funny reading people ague over addiction without going through it themselves. Re-wire your brain? Wtf?
We’re all addicted to things brother, just maybe not the same things. With any addiction…phone, social media scrolling, drugs, alcohol, porn, eating, hf board posting, literally anything…our brains have engrained pathways or patterns of behavior that we keep returning to in order to release dopamine or give us comfort…which is usually a replacement for some need in our life we are not receiving. So there usually is a “re-wiring” of sorts that needs to happen which is really just guru speak for engraining new patterns of behavior that are more positive instead of destructive. Hiking, biking, any exercise, painting, drawing, sports, any good hobby really, regular connection with family and friends…some mixture of these things need to be the things the brain starts to repeatedly turn to for that comfort or happiness instead of the self destructive stuff.

Good on you for getting the help you needed. Hope you’re in better shape these days :)
 
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Regardless of whether or not Galchenyuk has turned over a new leaf, and regardless of whether or not this is relevant to this particular thread, you don't dismiss someone's problems in their past by making a blanket statement. You don't know shit about other people's lives or problems and how they cope with that is their own business and not yours. Last I checked none of us were neurosurgeons or scientists and it's incredibly rude to dismiss someone else as lying or stupid because you have a different opinion to them. Nobody on this earth knows everything about the brain and how it works and nobody on this earth knows exactly how addiction effects one's brain completely because like it or not it is different for everyone.

You're being an incredibly insensitive dick (not that RT probably cares that much) with these statements.
Insensitive? No I'm not. I didn't say anyone was lying or stupid, so stop putting words in my mouth. Having had an addict in my family, and probably many do as well, it's scary, frustrating, sad. Everyone tries to help because all care about that person. All I know is that if the addict does not want to help them self no one can help them.
 
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We’re all addicted to things brother, just maybe not the same things. With any addiction…phone, social media scrolling, drugs, alcohol, porn, eating, hf board posting, literally anything…our brains have engrained pathways or patterns of behavior that we keep returning to in order to release dopamine or give us comfort…which is usually a replacement for some need in our life we are not receiving. So there usually is a “re-wiring” of sorts that needs to happen which is really just guru speak for engraining new patterns of behavior that are more positive instead of destructive. Hiking, biking, any exercise, painting, drawing, sports, any good hobby really, regular connection with family and friends…some mixture of these things need to be the things the brain starts to repeatedly turn to for that comfort or happiness instead of the self destructive stuff.

Good on you for getting the help you needed. Hope you’re in better shape these days :)
Good post. The brain plays tricks on us. I think we should all turn off social media. Let our brain reset.

Yep. I dropped 6 grand less than 2 years ago just to go through the detox portion of treatment for physical alcohol dependency.
And I gotta say, it’s funny reading people ague over addiction without going through it themselves. Re-wire your brain? Wtf?
Probably the best 6 grand you ever spent. You are one of the smart ones.
 
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I don't recall Galchenyuk having a past history of alcohol problems. Did I just miss (or forget) it?
I don't think it was common knowledge among fans.
Even now we're only aware of the details of this one incident, along with some vague comments about a history of bad decisions off-ice.
 
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That might be true for some people. And that’s most definitely what gets repeated a lot. But it’s also definitely not true for all people.
If you're saying addiction doesn't rewire the brain, that's nonsense as it most certainly interferes with how the brain rewards behavior. One still has free will and can overcome it, but it would still definitely be difficult. I think you were more getting at that it's possible Galchenyuk, and therefore others, might be able to abuse alcohol, face dire consequences, but never become addicted, and I'd completely agree with that.

There's also a difference between being physical addiction, such as going through withdrawal and physical sickness without it, and psychological addiction, where one is more overcome by the need to satisfy the urge.
Yep. I dropped 6 grand less than 2 years ago just to go through the detox portion of treatment for physical alcohol dependency.
And I gotta say, it’s funny reading people ague over addiction without going through it themselves. Re-wire your brain? Wtf?
Yes, it rewires the brain, as in positively rewarding the acquisition or consumption of alcohol above all other goals. It messes with the learning behavior systems and dopamine release. It's wrongly associating that behavior as positive and it's difficult to stop because the brain is built to learn.
 

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11 pages on a player who isn’t good enough for the top six and has no business in the bottom six. It’s amazing his career lasted this long and so many teams gave him a shot.
Teams love talent, but Gally just couldn't put it all together for whatever reason or reasons. There is a lot of pressure on these kids that are picked high in the draft.
 

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If you're saying addiction doesn't rewire the brain, that's nonsense as it most certainly interferes with how the brain rewards behavior. One still has free will and can overcome it, but it would still definitely be difficult. I think you were more getting at that it's possible Galchenyuk, and therefore others, might be able to abuse alcohol, face dire consequences, but never become addicted, and I'd completely agree with that.

There's also a difference between being physical addiction, such as going through withdrawal and physical sickness without it, and psychological addiction, where one is more overcome by the need to satisfy the urge.

Yes, it rewires the brain, as in positively rewarding the acquisition or consumption of alcohol above all other goals. It messes with the learning behavior systems and dopamine release. It's wrongly associating that behavior as positive and it's difficult to stop because the brain is built to learn.

Are you trying to say that chemical dependence or addition is a real thing and a difficult thing to overcome? I agree with that.
 
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Are you trying to say that chemical dependence or addition is a real thing and a difficult thing to overcome? I agree with that.
I think I interpreted what you'd said earlier as asserting something else, but we seem to be mostly congruent on this anyway. I'm probably more nitpicky on this because I used to do neuroscience research on memory before I decided not to pursue academia.
 
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