Ultimate Redraft - Most Valuable Habs #3

[kingdok]

The league is in trouble! Every teams dissolves and a new league appears with 30 new owners. Every teams then proceed to draft any player available. Who, among former habs (current players or prospects) gets picked third ? Contracts carry over.

PK Subban won the second round

1- Carey Price
2- PK Subban

For this round, in virtue of one of the best contract in the league, I pick Max Pacioretty.

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[Treb]

Patches. After that, it gets more interesting.

 

[savard95]

Patches no doubt. 4 and lower gets interesting!

 

[PricePkPatch*]

First time i disagree with popular sentiment. I will go with Chuck

Oh, and dont worry. I already voted on the main board

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Pacioretty then Galchenyuk

 

[jpchabby]

Patches. After that, it gets more interesting.

Yup. This.

There aren't that many 35-40 goal scorers in the league...

 

[Natey]

The list should have been/be;

1. Carey Price
2. Max Pacioretty
3. PK Subban
4. Alex Galchenyuk
5. Tomas Plekanec
6. Brendan Gallagher
7. David Desharnais
8. Lars Eller
9. Nathan Beaulieu
10. Andrei Markov
11. PA Parenteau
12. Alexei Emelin
13. Tom Gilbert
14. Jared Tinordi
15. Dustin Tokarski
16. Michael Bournival
17. Jiri Sekac
18. Sven Andrighetto
19. Jacob de la Rose
20. Christian Thomas
21. Nikita Scherbak
22. Michael McCarron
23. Zachary Fucale
24. Mike Condon
25. Charles Hudon
26. Rene Bourque
27. Artturi Lehkonen
28. Greg Pateryn
29. Magnus Nygren
30. Darren Dietz
31. Dale Wiese
32. Brandon Prust
33. Mike Weaver
34. Manny Maholtra
35. Travis Moen

Or something similar.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

The list should have been/be;

1. Carey Price
2. Max Pacioretty
3. PK Subban
4. Alex Galchenyuk
5. Tomas Plekanec
6. Brendan Gallagher
7. David Desharnais
8. Lars Eller
9. Nathan Beaulieu
10. Andrei Markov
11. PA Parenteau
12. Alexei Emelin
13. Tom Gilbert
14. Jared Tinordi
15. Dustin Tokarski
16. Michael Bournival
17. Jiri Sekac
18. Sven Andrighetto
19. Jacob de la Rose
20. Christian Thomas
21. Nikita Scherbak
22. Michael McCarron
23. Zachary Fucale
24. Mike Condon
25. Charles Hudon
26. Rene Bourque
27. Artturi Lehkonen
28. Greg Pateryn
29. Magnus Nygren
30. Darren Dietz
31. Dale Wiese
32. Brandon Prust
33. Mike Weaver
34. Manny Maholtra
35. Travis Moen

Or something similar.

Well, geez. Clearly, you are right, we are wrong. Time to wrap this up, since you made thr ultimate argument

 

[kingdok]

The list should have been/be;

1. Carey Price
2. Max Pacioretty
3. PK Subban
4. Alex Galchenyuk
5. Tomas Plekanec
6. Brendan Gallagher
7. David Desharnais
8. Lars Eller
9. Nathan Beaulieu
10. Andrei Markov
11. PA Parenteau
12. Alexei Emelin
13. Tom Gilbert
14. Jared Tinordi
15. Dustin Tokarski
16. Michael Bournival
17. Jiri Sekac
18. Sven Andrighetto
19. Jacob de la Rose
20. Christian Thomas
21. Nikita Scherbak
22. Michael McCarron
23. Zachary Fucale
24. Mike Condon
25. Charles Hudon
26. Rene Bourque
27. Artturi Lehkonen
28. Greg Pateryn
29. Magnus Nygren
30. Darren Dietz
31. Dale Wiese
32. Brandon Prust
33. Mike Weaver
34. Manny Maholtra
35. Travis Moen

Or something similar.

I really don't think so. Think about it. Let's say Dale Tallon offers Barkov to Bergevin and ask for either Gilbert or Scherbak in return. Do you really think Bergevin is gonna let Scherbak go and keep Gilbert over him? In other words, if another GM offers you a first round pick for Gilbert, you take the deal.

 

[zzoo]

Guys, don't forget this is a draft for a long term, not a hockey pool for 1 season or 2.
All the young guys and prospects should have much more value.

For example, I'd take Galchenyuk over Pac. Beaulieu over Markov. Tinordi over Emelin. Scherbak over Parenteau, etc.

 

[kingdok]

Guys, don't forget this is a draft for a long term, not a hockey pool for 1 season or 2.
All the young guys and prospects should have much more value.

For example, I'd take Galchenyuk over Pac. Beaulieu over Markov. Tinordi over Emelin. Scherbak over Parenteau, etc.

Not sure about that. Pacioretty is still young and has a sweet sweet contract. Galchenyuk has great potential but he has to reach it.

 

[zzoo]

1. Carey Price
2. PK Subban
3. Alex Galchenyuk
4. Max Pacioretty
5. Lars Eller
6. Nathan Beaulieu
7. Brendan Gallagher
8. Jared Tinordi
9. Tomas Plekanec
10. Nikita Scherbak
11. Jacob de la Rose
12. Sven Andrighetto
13. Artturi Lehkonen
14. Jiri Sekac
15. Reeway
16. Charles Hudon
17. Michael McCarron
18. PA Parenteau
19. Greg Pateryn
20. Zachary Fucale

HM: Markov, Desharnais, Emelin

 

[MasterDecoy]

if were talking in their prime, i love patches, but it's gotta be markov. guy who's gonna finish his career probably 3rd or 4th in all time points for a defenseman (ed. habs defenseman) while missing almost two years + lockouts? yeah

galchenyuk hasn't proven anything, and still hasn't proven that he'll be able to play center. patches' game bothers me at time, soft and soft minutes, perimeter, disappearing act in the playoffs and so on. love patches but markov all the way. if given a cup or a norris (arguably should have won it) while playing on a **** team, markov would be a good candidate for the hall of fame. pacioretty will never smell it

 

[Natey]

Well, geez. Clearly, you are right, we are wrong. Time to wrap this up, since you made thr ultimate argument

I'm not saying I'm 100% right, that's ridiculous. Just so many people CLEARLY aren't reading the thread before voting/posting.

Case in point - Markov as 3 votes. Markov wouldn't go in the top-200 in real life.

I really don't think so. Think about it. Let's say Dale Tallon offers Barkov to Bergevin and ask for either Gilbert or Scherbak in return. Do you really think Bergevin is gonna let Scherbak go and keep Gilbert over him? In other words, if another GM offers you a first round pick for Gilbert, you take the deal.

I don't think people are actually reading the thread.

In terms of value in the league, those are no-where close. In terms of "Fantasy Drafts," which this thread essentially is - Scherbak's got high value, but not super high.

Unless you're a "can't miss" prospect, you're not going extremely high in Fantasy draft because teams have to build a team from scratch.

4th liners and plugs (ala Prust, Wiese, etc) will go really low - because you fill those spots through free agency. But generally, you'd see teams fill out their Top-2 (maybe 3) lines, Top-4 defense (maybe all 6) and a starting goalie before worrying about "very good" prospects.

If you're prospects bust and you selected them high... you're going to be bad for a long, long, long time.

Also, guys of similar impact with high contracts are going to go lower than guys with lower contracts (ala Pacioretty above Subban).

Your post is saying what the thread is not asking. That this is value to the team. That's not what the OP is asking.

 

[Natey]

if were talking in their prime, i love patches, but it's gotta be markov. guy who's gonna finish his career probably 3rd or 4th in all time points for a defenseman (ed. habs defenseman) while missing almost two years + lockouts? yeah

galchenyuk hasn't proven anything, and still hasn't proven that he'll be able to play center. patches' game bothers me at time, soft and soft minutes, perimeter, disappearing act in the playoffs and so on. love patches but markov all the way. if given a cup or a norris (arguably should have won it) while playing on a **** team, markov would be a good candidate for the hall of fame. pacioretty will never smell it

Yes, Markov is amazing.. but come on... in a fantasy draft world he's going LATEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. He's too damn old to go high.

1. Carey Price
2. PK Subban
3. Alex Galchenyuk
4. Max Pacioretty
5. Lars Eller
6. Nathan Beaulieu
7. Brendan Gallagher
8. Jared Tinordi
9. Tomas Plekanec
10. Nikita Scherbak
11. Jacob de la Rose
12. Sven Andrighetto
13. Artturi Lehkonen
14. Jiri Sekac
15. Reeway
16. Charles Hudon
17. Michael McCarron
18. PA Parenteau
19. Greg Pateryn
20. Zachary Fucale

HM: Markov, Desharnais, Emelin

lmfao ... the hate is strong with this one.

Guys, don't forget this is a draft for a long term, not a hockey pool for 1 season or 2.
All the young guys and prospects should have much more value.

For example, I'd take Galchenyuk over Pac. Beaulieu over Markov. Tinordi over Emelin. Scherbak over Parenteau, etc.

Yes it is.. but let's say Scherbak busts. Beaulieu become a #4, Tinordi a #6/#7, and Galchenyuk is the only star. You just waasted three or four high picks and killed your roster.

Prospects would generally go far, far lower in keepers. Generally, you get one or two guys that go for the prospects because it's fairly low risk. If this was an actual NHL real-life fantasy draft with severe consequences, only "can't miss" prospects are going super high.

 

[MasterDecoy]

Yes, Markov is amazing.. but come on... in a fantasy draft world he's going LATEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. He's too damn old to go high.

i know, i thought this would be in their prime...

 

[kingdok]

I'm not saying I'm 100% right, that's ridiculous. Just so many people CLEARLY aren't reading the thread before voting/posting.

Case in point - Markov as 3 votes. Markov wouldn't go in the top-200 in real life.


I don't think people are actually reading the thread.

In terms of value in the league, those are no-where close. In terms of "Fantasy Drafts," which this thread essentially is - Scherbak's got high value, but not super high.

Unless you're a "can't miss" prospect, you're not going extremely high in Fantasy draft because teams have to build a team from scratch.

4th liners and plugs (ala Prust, Wiese, etc) will go really low - because you fill those spots through free agency. But generally, you'd see teams fill out their Top-2 (maybe 3) lines, Top-4 defense (maybe all 6) and a starting goalie before worrying about "very good" prospects.

If you're prospects bust and you selected them high... you're going to be bad for a long, long, long time.

Also, guys of similar impact with high contracts are going to go lower than guys with lower contracts (ala Pacioretty above Subban).

Your post is saying what the thread is not asking. That this is value to the team. That's not what the OP is asking.

Yes I'm pretty sure it does. I'm not talking about value to the Habs organization, hence the redraft thing. I'm talking about value overall.

Would a team prefer a fresh first round pick that is looking good (Scherbak) or a 31 year old 2nd pairing (at best) defensemen signed for 2 years (Gilbert). Pretty sure most teams will pick the first option.

 

[Natey]

Yes I'm pretty sure it does. I'm not talking about value to the Habs organization, hence the redraft thing. I'm talking about value overall.

Would a team prefer a fresh first round pick that is looking good (Scherbak) or a 31 year old 2nd pairing (at best) defensemen signed for 2 years (Gilbert). Pretty sure most teams will pick the first option.

If Gilbert is one of the best 120 defenseman in the NHL, I think you're wrong. Teams are going to fill in their Top 4 and Top 6 quickly. You're not going to worry about late 1st round draft picks in the most recent draft. If you do, and They bust, your team is going to fold.

If you're not talking about real value, why would you bring up a Barkov trade? Of course you take that risk because your team should be well built.

Selecting a team in this sense, Gilbert could be huge. Say you get down to the 301st pick... that's only 10 picks per team, and you're already looking at the bottom half of the league left.

Say you picked you're goalie, top 6, and Top 3 defense with your 10 picks. Who do you take? A guy like Gilbert or a late first rounder who may or may not pan out and will most likely be on the board in another 150+ picks.

 

[kingdok]

If Gilbert is one of the best 120 defenseman in the NHL, I think you're wrong. Teams are going to fill in their Top 4 and Top 6 quickly. You're not going to worry about late 1st round draft picks in the most recent draft. If you do, and They bust, your team is going to fold.

If you're not talking about real value, why would you bring up a Barkov trade? Of course you take that risk because your team should be well built.

Selecting a team in this sense, Gilbert could be huge. Say you get down to the 301st pick... that's only 10 picks per team, and you're already looking at the bottom half of the league left.

Say you picked you're goalie, top 6, and Top 3 defense with your 10 picks. Who do you take? A guy like Gilbert or a late first rounder who may or may not pan out and will most likely be on the board in another 150+ picks.

I don't think I have the same opinion about Gilbert as you, so as it stands, that's where we differ. But one thing is for sure, if there is a redraft, I try to get a better 2nd pairing D then Gilbert. And I will also stockpile good future if others are drafting average to mediocre players instead. Sure they might beat me the first season, but I'll be smiling while building a contender.

 

[ZARTONK]

Pacioretty.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The list should have been/be;

1. Carey Price
2. Max Pacioretty
3. PK Subban
4. Alex Galchenyuk
5. Tomas Plekanec
6. Brendan Gallagher
7. David Desharnais
8. Lars Eller
9. Nathan Beaulieu
10. Andrei Markov
11. PA Parenteau
12. Alexei Emelin
13. Tom Gilbert
14. Jared Tinordi
15. Dustin Tokarski
16. Michael Bournival
17. Jiri Sekac
18. Sven Andrighetto
19. Jacob de la Rose
20. Christian Thomas
21. Nikita Scherbak
22. Michael McCarron
23. Zachary Fucale
24. Mike Condon
25. Charles Hudon
26. Rene Bourque
27. Artturi Lehkonen
28. Greg Pateryn
29. Magnus Nygren
30. Darren Dietz
31. Dale Wiese
32. Brandon Prust
33. Mike Weaver
34. Manny Maholtra
35. Travis Moen

Or something similar.

1. Carey Price
2. PK Subban
3. Max Pacioretty
4. Alex Galchenyuk
5. Tomas Plekanec
6. Nathan Beaulieu
7. Brendan Gallagher
8. Lars Eller
9. Andrei Markov
10. Jiri Sekac
11. Alexei Emelin
12. Jared Tinordi
13. Zachary Fucale
14. Jacob de la Rose
15. Michael Bournival
16. Nikita Scherbak
17. Dale Wiese
18. Brandon Prust
19. Christian Thomas
20. Michael McCarron
21. Magnus Nygren
22. Dustin Tokarski
23. Rene Bourque
24. Greg Pateryn
25. Mike Weaver
26. Darren Dietz
27. Manny Malhotra
28. Tom Gilbert
29. Travis Moen
30. David Desharnais
31. PA Parenteau
32. Sven Andrighetto
33. Artturi Lehkonen
34. Charles Hudon
35. Mike Condon

 

[Mr. Hab]

WOW!!!! Some people still don't appreciate what Pleks does for our Habs!!

Plekanec plays most of the time 80games+ per season...two-way game...very underrated. Major ''Iron-Man''...means a lot to our Habs.

Pure case of ''don't know what you have until it's gone or injured''.

Plekanec always goes against the best opposing lines...not an easy task. Twice he had 70pts (or very close)...while taking care of defensive tasks.