UFA Frenzy/Offseason Discussion 2

[Sdrawkcab321]

One of those kids is almost certainly going the other way if it were to happen

Idk about that. He’s not worth that. Maybe a mid tier prospect and a pick. No way it’s one of those 2.

 

[CBJx614]

What if he wants to come here? You’d say no to that?

If we had to give up assets? Yes. If he wants to come sign here? Sure, if the price is right.

 

[jogurtti]

Kane to columbus? Can't really see that happening. Don't get me wrong I would absolutely love the dude playing here, but if the Alberga guy is somewhat right, it has to be 3-way deal to get Chychrun or JT Miller. That would make the most sense for me.

 

[LJ7]

One of those kids is almost certainly going the other way if it were to happen

I could be wrong but I don't think it would require that. We'll see what the return is when it happens but I can't see him fetching a huge haul

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Idk about that. He’s not worth that. Maybe a mid tier prospect and a pick. No way it’s one of those 2.

Keep in mind any team who acquires him is going to ask Chicago to retain salary. He’s going to get a haul.

 

[stevo61]

One of those kids is almost certainly going the other way if it were to happen

eh, could be 1 of the 3 defensemen too and Id be just as upset if that were the case

 

[VT]

Johnny is 29. We’re in win now mode. Go get him. Kent Johnson and Sullivan are coming up the pipe as centers. We’ll be fine in a year when they’re ready to play C.

Gaudreau was UFA, Kane has the contract. Also Johnny is 29, Patrick 33, what is 4 years difference.

 

[Finner]

Im glad that Columbus is in these talks. That tells you something but i dont want Kane. He is absolutely elite but he is 33 and 1year left.

 

[Kevo22363]

Im glad that Columbus is in these talks. That tells you something but i dont want Kane. He is absolutely elite but he is 33 and 1year left.

352 points in his last 285 regular season games. Why ever would the Jackets want that? HELP.

 

[MAHJ71]

I didn't realize a career ended at 34... does that mean my life is over in December when my birthday rolls around?

 

[cslebn]

352 points in his last 285 regular season games. Why ever would the Jackets want that? HELP.

But is he up to the vigor of the playoffs?

 

[VT]

I didn't realize a career ended at 34... does that mean my life is over in December when my birthday rolls around?

Hockey players usually finish their careers around the age of 36-38, and in recent years their performances have mostly deteriorated. Kane is 33 years old. 5 years max and even that's not a fact. Then again, no one knows what kind of form he'll be in.

352 points in his last 285 regular season games. Why ever would the Jackets want that? HELP.

Weren't you an advisor to those GMs who stopped caring about the development of their own players, which caused teams to have problems in the future?

 

[MissADD]

Think the Jackets finally get a national broadcast game now that the signed JG?

 

[summer tooth]

Going to be stoked if we can somehow get Ohio native JT Miller

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

Going to be stoked if we can somehow get Ohio native JT Miller

He doesn’t want to play here

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

He doesn’t want to play here

And he’s from Ohio by geography only. Might as well be a suburb of Pittsburgh.

 

[3074326]

I didn't realize a career ended at 34... does that mean my life is over in December when my birthday rolls around?

Yes.

Source: I’m 35, and dead inside

 

[Kevo22363]

Weren't you an advisor to those GMs who stopped caring about the development of their own players, which caused teams to have problems in the future?

Admittedly, if I were the GM, I wouldn't let prospects get in the way of making trades that put a winner on the ice. I can appreciate good prospects, I think this organization finally has a pretty damn good prospect pool, I just hope they are developed properly or else they are just another body.

As a fan, I've reached a point where I don't really stress over the prospects, I just want to see a winner on the ice. I really don't care if it's done with developed prospects, or if you use them to acquire players that take this team over the top. I'm well aware the better way to do it is with developed prospects (see Tampa and Colorado), but I just don't care anymore, I would actually be willing to sacrifice 2 or 3 lean years for a Cup.

I've loved talking about the Kane stuff. I know there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but at least I feel like my team has the wheels turning and isn't just handcuffing itself hoarding prospects. That is refreshing to me to talk about the present and winning, then talking about possibly winning in 5 years. I'd love for Johnson, Marchenko, Sillinger and Chinakov to all be majorly impactful players beginning this year and make this team a contender for a long time to come, but I don't think it's realistic. Cole will, as he showed last season, the others are a toss up.

All this said, it's time to drop the puck and find out what happens.

 

[VT]

Admittedly, if I were the GM, I wouldn't let prospects get in the way of making trades that put a winner on the ice. I can appreciate good prospects, I think this organization finally has a pretty damn good prospect pool, I just hope they are developed properly or else they are just another body.

As a fan, I've reached a point where I don't really stress over the prospects, I just want to see a winner on the ice. I really don't care if it's done with developed prospects, or if you use them to acquire players that take this team over the top. I'm well aware the better way to do it is with developed prospects (see Tampa and Colorado), but I just don't care anymore, I would actually be willing to sacrifice 2 or 3 lean years for a Cup.

I've loved talking about the Kane stuff. I know there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but at least I feel like my team has the wheels turning and isn't just handcuffing itself hoarding prospects. That is refreshing to me to talk about the present and winning, then talking about possibly winning in 5 years. I'd love for Johnson, Marchenko, Sillinger and Chinakov to all be majorly impactful players beginning this year and make this team a contender for a long time to come, but I don't think it's realistic. Cole will, as he showed last season, the others are a toss up.

All this said, it's time to drop the puck and find out what happens.

Success can only be achieved by working conceptually, putting the pieces together in a mosaic. Trading Kane for our future is not it. Of course, we must work with youngsters.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

I didn't realize a career ended at 34... does that mean my life is over in December when my birthday rolls around?

Yes, it was about that age that I died inside*. Just like that, you wake up one day and don't feel quite alive anymore, because you went over the hill. It's just a sloooooooooow slide to the grave from there on. But cheer up, careerwise it just keeps getting better

Hockeywise, if a players strengths are high hockey IQ and exceptional technique + still having the desire to keep competing at the highest level, the career is longer (barring serious injuries). Kane's playing style, consistency and good injury history speak for this.

*I am not dead inside, life's pretty good

 

[Viqsi]

I didn't realize a career ended at 34... does that mean my life is over in December when my birthday rolls around?

Yes, but it begins again five years later, so you'll bounce back.

 

[Kevo22363]

Success can only be achieved by working conceptually, putting the pieces together in a mosaic. Trading Kane for our future is not it. Of course, we must work with youngsters.

Just to play a little devil's advocate. What if you could acquire Kane and not really harm the future? I don't think I agree with you that teams can only achieve success by only developing their young players. It certainly helps from a cost perspective, surely, but remember when hockey didn't have a salary cap and teams like Detroit and Colorado would have over 100M on their payroll and win the Cup. They didn't care about developing many young players. Now, obviously times have changed, so there is a lot of credence to developing younger players, but I'm saying be open to the possibility of having some boundaries on what you're comfortable giving up and make moves (like Kane) when they arise.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Not sure they'd trade inside division but I hope Jarmo goes for it. Still think he has top 4 potential

 

[majormajor]

Not sure they'd trade inside division but I hope Jarmo goes for it. Still think he has top 4 potential

If you looked at our roster and thought "we need more players like Bean and Boqvist" then sure. Lundqvist is another one of those guys that really only makes sense in PP2 and sheltered 5v5 minutes. I think that's a player type that you can fit zero or one of per team.

 

[koteka]

Not sure they'd trade inside division but I hope Jarmo goes for it. Still think he has top 4 potential

I saw this today and was wondering about moving Eric Robinson or Bemstrom - the Rangers are set at D, but they could use a forward with a low cap hit. But do we need another young right D that is not a proven guy in his own end? And Robinson is friends with Gaudreau. And Lundkvist is 5’11”. So I decided against it. If they were looking to move him last year, I would have been in favor of it. But not now.