Two-Way Player Injury? (Vlad Kamenev)

[Garavar]

So Kamenev was called up from AHL and since he has a Two Way Contract he gets paid the NHL salary for games he plays.

But now he got injured so what salary does he collect? NHL or AHL?

Would the answer differ if it was a player who could be returned to juniors (Girard).

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[Freudian]

He'll be earning NHL money. You can't send down injured players to the AHL.

 

[agentblack]

Do we know how long he's out for? Or did he disintegrate when Orpik hit him ?

 

[McMetal]

Yep. Technically, Boikov is also earning NHL salary, since he was injured in a preseason game and never actually went down to SA yet.

 

[Tweaky]

For a hockey injury, the player stays on the NHL roster and gets paid for it. But the games played by the team while the player is injured do not count toward the 10 game cutoff for ELC slide.

 

[PAZ]

Does insurance still cover 80% of injury salary, or is that only for LTIR?

 

[Goulet17]

Do we know how long he's out for? Or did he disintegrate when Orpik hit him ?

It appears that it will be a while, without knowing specifics he apparently had surgery over the weekend. Actually, I suppose that could be just from setting a cast, but it certainly seems like an image post-surgery.

 

[cgf]

Yep. Technically, Boikov is also earning NHL salary, since he was injured in a preseason game and never actually went down to SA yet.

The much appreciated Ben-Street-Bonus.

 

[CB Joe]

13.6 Disabled Player Loan to Minor Leagues. A Player who is otherwise required to clear Regular Waivers and who becomes disabled while on an NHL roster can be placed on Regular Waivers and be Loaned to a minor league club prior to appropriate medical clearance being granted only if the Player was on NHL Recall at the time he becomes disabled and has not played ten (10) NHL Games (cumulative) or remained on the NHL roster for thirty (30) days (cumulative) since his Recall. The Player shall receive his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and benefits until appropriate medical clearance is granted. All other Players may not be Loaned until appropriate medical clearance is granted.

So he can be sent to the AHL but will still receive NHL compensation. Quoted section taken from the CBA.

 

[CB Joe]

Yep. Technically, Boikov is also earning NHL salary, since he was injured in a preseason game and never actually went down to SA yet.

Actually he will get paid a "daily rate" and not his NHL salary. The daily rate is based off how many days he spent in the NHL and AHL last season and his salary for each. As far as I remember he wasn't on the NHL roster last season so I think he'll be getting paid his AHL salary or very close to his AHL salary.

 

[EXTRAS]

Earliest he returns from injury/surgery?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Earliest he returns from injury/surgery?

Next season I'd imagine

 

[Tralfamadore]

Earliest he returns from injury/surgery?

My likely unpopular opinion is that he won't be returning for the Avs.

 

[EXTRAS]

My likely unpopular opinion is that he won't be returning for the Avs.

Why do you believe that?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Why do you believe that?

Kamenev is physically back in Russia according to his instagram. Russian factor and whatnot. I see it as a possibility but not super likely right now (could change)

 

[Tralfamadore]

Why do you believe that?

Back to back season ending injuries in the NHL. I just think he decides to play at home. Maybe plays some NHL games down the road.

 

[AvsFan29]

My likely unpopular opinion is that he won't be returning for the Avs.

His NHL salary is probably a lot higher than he can make in the KHL, and has a much higher upside if he's successful. He has had flashes of being a legit NHL player.

 

[Ana Crusis]

Do you guys think he still got top 6 upside?

 

[CB Joe]

Do you guys think he still got top 6 upside?

Difficult to say after missing almost 2 seasons with injuries.

 

[Ana Crusis]

How did he look in his 23 games this year? Was he played on the top 6 ?

 

[CB Joe]

How did he look in his 23 games this year? Was he played on the top 6 ?

I thought he played well but he's not ready for a scoring role yet. If/when he comes back I expect him to play in the bottom six.

 

[Barklez]

Why do you believe that?

“Lazy, soft Russian will run home at first sign of adversity” seems to be their reasoning.

 

[LTC Pain]

We need Vlad back, healthy and ready to rock Fall 2019 Training Camp! I've got you penciled in as 3rd line center Vlad. Don't let me down

 

[klozge]

Do you guys think he still got top 6 upside?

Difficult to say. I was a bit disappointed by his progression this year but I still liked him. So I'm not changing my expectations yet and still say possibly 2nd line, probably 3rd line. It'll take some time, though.

 

[tucker3434]

He’ll be back. Russians want to play in the NHL. It’s when they feel like they’re not being given a shot and getting buried in the AHL that they head home to the KHL. Kamenev is being given an NHL opportunity, he’s just had terrible injury luck. He’ll be back for camp. The only issue will be if injuries have derailed his development and other guys have passed him. But given the state of our depth this year, I doubt that.