Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part 2 (MOD # 598)
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Sheppy
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Said this from the beginning. Not because i thought he was better at the time, but because i thought he could play himself into some consideration...
LouJersey
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Sweeney would have kept him and dealt Rask had he been the one with all the power....in my opinion of course.
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I hate when people compare Jones & Rask. They play for two different teams with two completely difference defenses. Put Jones behind this defense and he'd get rocked. Just look at the Sharks defense vs ours....theirs is significantly better, hell they have the Norris favorite playing for them
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Didn't have to be an either/or situation. If both were kept, at least until the trade deadline, the backup situation would have been solved with both of them winning more games than the backups did this year. That alone would have locked a playoff spot.
Also, my gut tells me that Rask would have been even better being pushed by Jones.
I know there were reasons not to, but it would have solved some of this.
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That's all we need. Participation trophies in the NHL.
They do, it's called the loser point
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Bmessy
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Devin Dubnyk plays in Edmonton and isn't seen as that good of a goalie.
Devin Dubnyk goes to Minnesota and has career years. Coincidence? No. A good defense makes a goalie even better
Martin Jones has very similar stats to Rask this year. If you put Rask behind SJ's defense, he's a Vezina candidate. Kind of like how he was a Vezina winner when we had a good defense.
Rask can't carry an average team. It's unfortunate but that is the case. Address the D
Devin Dubnyk goes to Minnesota and has career years. Coincidence? No. A good defense makes a goalie even better
Martin Jones has very similar stats to Rask this year. If you put Rask behind SJ's defense, he's a Vezina candidate. Kind of like how he was a Vezina winner when we had a good defense.
Rask can't carry an average team. It's unfortunate but that is the case. Address the D
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ON3M4N
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Vezina is as much of a reflection of the defense as it is the goalie. Funny a guy like Dubnyk struggled in EDM/ARI, but goes to MIN and turned into a Vezina caliber goaltender
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Not sure I'd even call us an average team. our offense is 1 MAYBE 2 lines deep and the defense mostly 3rd pairing guys
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Vezina is as much of a reflection of the defense as it is the goalie. Funny a guy like Dubnyk struggled in EDM/ARI, but goes to MIN and turned into a Vezina caliber goaltender
You mean we can use our judgement to make nuanced and informed comparisons?
Cool. Thought you just said the opposite.
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No he wouldn't have been. Boston brought him in to be the back-up lol. He wasn't going to be the #1 here because Sweeney had no intentions of trading Rask....that's why Jones wouldn't sign here.
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One of the most respected hockey writers on this board has reported that the plan was to keep Jones and trade Rask, but the Bruins got cold feet after they were caught off guard by Hamilton.
They decided it would be too much turnover in one offseason to trade Lucic, Hamilton, and Rask.
LouJersey
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Vezina is as much of a reflection of the defense as it is the goalie. Funny a guy like Dubnyk struggled in EDM/ARI, but goes to MIN and turned into a Vezina caliber goaltender
He still had a higher sv percentage than Rask has this season in 4 of his 5 seasons being on those crappy teams.
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Vezina is as much of a reflection of the defense as it is the goalie. Funny a guy like Dubnyk struggled in EDM/ARI, but goes to MIN and turned into a Vezina caliber goaltender
He was actually pretty good his brief time in Arizona, saved his career really.
Patrick Roy in his prime would of been a leaky faucet behind the Oiler teams Dubnyk played for.
But your right in that the quality of the team defense has an impact the numbers of a goaltender, no doubt about it.
The way the game it played now, so structured and robotic, goalies have become more puck-blockers than puck-stoppers.
Rask when he's at his best his form is totally controlled. Once he starts to scramble he's not very good. Price to me is the same way. Both relatively robotic goaltenders in comparison to say a Quick or a Lundqvist, the former who relies on his athleticism, the other relies on playing deep in the crease.
Good team defense is always going to have more of an impact on robotic-style goaltenders.
LouJersey
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Not really sure anyone is asking him to carry them.... a better than .888 sv pct in 2017 isn't too much to ask is it?
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Even someone like Thomas who was know for the famous battlefly. Your 100% right, guys like Rask & Price rely on positioning/rebound control more so than guys like Quick who rely on their athleticism. Not saying Rask/Price have no athleticism, but they don't use it nearly has much.
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Rask costs twice as much.
It's nearly impossible to tell which goalie would play better with which defense. SOME goalies play better when they face more shots. Some don't. Unless we actually swap the goalies, we have no idea. Who is to say Jones would do better or worse here? We don't know. We never really had the opportunity to minus those few minutes a few years ago when we both had them under our control.
The problem is Rask is paid to be an elite goalie. Paid to be able to carry a team. Paid to take a workload. He has the contract, and unfortunately, isn't playing to the paygrade. He CAN play to that level for half a season, a month or to here and there, but fatigue, either physical or mental, catches up wit him. He gets off his game VERY easy. THAT is my biggest issue with Rask.
Everyone talks about the bad defense in front of him, but that wasn't a concern in the beginning of the season when he was putting up elite numbers. Julien had a system, but his numbers were already trending downwards at that point. And now, I think it's at least 1/5-10 goals were one of those, "wishes he could have that one back" kind of goals. The kind he should have had, but didn't. The kind of saves that the other teams mediocre and lower paid goalies make to keep their team at least one goal ahead. At that pay grade, Rask NEEDS to be making some of those saves that "average goalies" don't make. He hasn't been. And actually, he's been doing the opposite more often than not. The Bruins shouldn't need to score 4-6 goals a night to win every game. Not with that 7 million dollar goalie standing in net.
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Hali33
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It can't just be dismissed as the defense and the team in front of him.
You know who was able to look great and put up great numbers behind this roster? Tuukka Rask, the first half of the season. It's not like he's been stuck putting up 910 all season.
Things changed drastically for him behind the very same team. For whatever we suffered with Carlo's struggles, we got a healthy Krug and the offense exploded with the team playing with more confidence overall. And Rask's numbers took a nosedive.
We saw the inconsistency last year as well. You can't reasonably get away from this being an issue with him, in some compacity.
You know who was able to look great and put up great numbers behind this roster? Tuukka Rask, the first half of the season. It's not like he's been stuck putting up 910 all season.
Things changed drastically for him behind the very same team. For whatever we suffered with Carlo's struggles, we got a healthy Krug and the offense exploded with the team playing with more confidence overall. And Rask's numbers took a nosedive.
We saw the inconsistency last year as well. You can't reasonably get away from this being an issue with him, in some compacity.
ON3M4N
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That's why I think there was more to the shot Rask took against NSH then the team is letting people know. Ever since that game he hasn't been the same goaltender.
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