Trading down Good or Bad?

[Antropovsky]

I know its still too early to know precisely (but for those who want to discuss it), is trading down looking like a poor or great decision?

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[Damisoph]

Are you talking about trading the 24th instead of drafting Konecny??

 

[Antropovsky]

Are you talking about trading the 24th instead of drafting Konecny??

No specific player in mind.

Trading down from 24th got us these players:
Dermott
Bracco
Martins Dzierkals


I know they were rumoured to have liked Jacob Larsson (I don't think they had a lot of interest in Konecny).

 

[Menzinger]

If it's a pick outside the top 10, a ram is more likely to get an impact NHler with a pair of 2nds than a mid to late round 1st.

Of course that doesn't take into account players that your scouting staff loves they feel may be taken in that late 1st round.

So it depends I suppose - though with this draft I'm definitely in favour of trading back.

 

[Warden of the North]

Its too early to tell.

If Konecny is a 2nd line winger and Dermott is a 2nd pairing defenseman when all is said and done who wins?

 

[TorontoTrades]

that's a totally situational question.

If there isn't someone on the board that is jumping out at you based on who you think will go in the next handful of picks then trade down. If you think your guy will be there in a bit then trade down.

If you got a guy you really want go get them and trade up.

It all depends on where the pick is and who's on the board.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Trading up or down is entirely situational and not a good or bad idea in and of itself.

 

[cookie]

Its too early to tell.

If Konecny is a 2nd line winger and Dermott is a 2nd pairing defenseman when all is said and done who wins?

This is my POV exactly. It might not work every time but the thinking is sound. The only issue I see is the team accumulating prospects and bottlenecking the system.

 

[SprDaVE]

Ask me in a few years?

 

[Xscout*]

Dermott makes next years team imo.
Fast, high iq, great first pass.

Solid puck mover. Nothing flashy.

 

[PuckMagi]

I'm happy with Dermott. The other two are just a bonus.

It's not like Konecny is putting up huge numbers right now or anything. We don't really have any room for him, and we desperately need defenders.

 

[Leafsman]

I know its still too early to know precisely (but for those who want to discuss it), is trading down looking like a poor or great decision?

That was a bonus pick anyway! Had it been the only 1st, you likely try to trade the other way.

If you look at the entirety of that transaction -
Was trading Franson and Santorelli worth Leipsic, Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals? I would have to say HELL YEAH!!!!!

Leafs needed more baskets, not another egg.

But waaayyy too early to tell as in one prospect vs another

 

[Mugzy97]

You can speculate trades up and down all day, you're never going to get a correct answer. You can only look back on these trades in 5-10 years to determine who won. It's probably 50/50 on winners as it's a gamble for both sides.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Its too early to tell.

If Konecny is a 2nd line winger and Dermott is a 2nd pairing defenseman when all is said and done who wins?

Dermott. Only way a winger is more valuable than a top 4 defenseman is if he plays on the first line and has good production.

 

[Leafsman]

Dermott. Only way a winger is more valuable than a top 4 defenseman is if he plays on the first line and has good production.

I'll second this

 

[Diatomic]

If were talking about the pick at 24, I wanted Konecky and as nice as he has looked he wouldn't have benefited us as much as a D-man with similar potential.

 

[Stand Witness]

Babcock said the Leafs thought long about drafting Aho but decided on a defenseman instead.

So if we want to use the hindsight of being able to draft Konecny we should also consider we almost drafted Aho which would have likely been the best outcome of them all.

In that case, I say yes and I said yes regardless because I think trading down in a situation like this is almost always better.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Babcock said the Leafs thought long about drafting Aho but decided on a defenseman instead.

So if we want to use the hindsight of being able to draft Konecny we should also consider we almost drafted Aho which would have likely been the best outcome of them all.

In that case, I say yes and I said yes regardless because I think trading down in a situation like this is almost always better.

Aho would have been a sweet addition but we really need(ed) DMen and we had just taken Marner.

 

[nuck]

Generally I don't like it because it means that you can't identify BPA so you are giving up. Bit if there really are 15 players that look almost the same (rare but possible), then why not?

However in this specific instance I don't like it. Even after the trade, the apparent BPA(s) Carlo and Aho were both there and they still missed. With the amount of other clubs that passed on those two I guess that shows how unclear things were, but still not IMO a Leafs win unless Dermott makes it big. I like him but he will be in tough to be the top D out of the second round of 2015.

I picked Beauvillier if they retained their pick and totally missed it on Carlo. What no-offense D scores better as a 19 year old pro than in Junior?

 

[ULF_55]

Heck, we don't even know if Dermott was the best pick at his spot.

Aho 1 pick later, then Carlo, Nutivaara in the 7th. round.

All we can say at this point is Marner is a NHL player and no one else selected by the Leafs in that draft are.

Only 30 players from that draft have any NHL games under their belt.

Much too soon to evaluate.

 

[Rude Dog]

I have a bad feeling that Larsson may make them regret that decision. Fingers crossed Dermott can make the leap but I am a bit concerned.

 

[LeafFever]

Trading down this year makes a ton of sense.