TRADETRACKER: JEANNOT AND EKHOLM

[BigFatCat999]

I was thinking about this and there were so many pieces to keep track of so this is as much for me and y'all

First the Jeannot fleecing

Now the Ekholm trade.

to be updated when Barrrie goes buh-bye


and just for housekeeping:

Nino's 2nd from WPG has not been picked yet

Granlund's pick is Kalan Lind

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[Gnashville]

You forgot Foote in the Jeannot trade

 

[Armourboy]

You forgot Foote in the Jeannot trade

His career is over anyways he's an AHL lifer at best.

 

[Gnashville]

Just making sure to include the Footenote!!

His career is over anyways he's an AHL lifer at best.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Just making sure to include the Footenote!!

*groan*

 

[BigFatCat999]

I am bumping this up to ask: What do you guys want in a Barrie trade or just hold on to him as "playoff depth?"

 

[ShagDaddy]

I am bumping this up to ask: What do you guys want in a Barrie trade or just hold on to him as "playoff depth?"

He won’t be held on to. He doesn’t want to be here and Trotz doesn’t want him here. I’ll be happy with anything higher than a 4th round pick.

 

[Kat Predator]

I am bumping this up to ask: What do you guys want in a Barrie trade or just hold on to him as "playoff depth?"

His trade value to date has been as a salary dump piece for a team wanting to add something somewhere else. I mean it would be great if we're in that position and dumping him for a middle 6 forward for our playoff run, but ... it's not clear that is overly realistic despite our recent hot streak.

Not sure if a contender really wants to add him. If a team is winning, it's likely their PP doesn't suck. Of course, we were a playoff team not that long ago with a DOA PP. So it's possible.

I'd take some picks and/or prospects for him, if that's on the table. Try to stir up a bidding war somehow? Otherwise just take anything reasonable. Don't think he's going to be brought back either way.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I am bumping this up to ask: What do you guys want in a Barrie trade or just hold on to him as "playoff depth?"

Before the season I thought maybe Barrie would put up good enough offensive numbers to get us a draft pick at the TDL, but that sure doesn't seem likely to be the case now. Might just as well keep him and then let him walk as a UFA in the summer if we can't get anything for him. Letting his agent look around for trades and finding nothing, coupled with the Preds recent run into a playoff spot probably has cooled off his urgency to get moved, so if everybody is happy again, there's no incentive for us to move him at zero/negative value.

And besides, if Josi ever does get injured, then Barrie could be useful stepping into his role. At least Barrie has that tiny sliver of value to us.

 

[Armourboy]

At this point I'm pretty sure Trotz would take future considerations, so that tells you how many teams want him.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

At this point I'm pretty sure Trotz would take future considerations, so that tells you how many teams want him.

I agree. I think he is free, but makes no sense to retain on. He can rotate like he's been doing and then walk away for nothing next year. If we retain it would need to be a decent pick coming back. I can't see retaining and paying part of his salary for a 5th round pick. That's not good return on investment.

 

[herzausstein]

We only have 1 retention spot left. I dont think we will waste that spot for minimal return. We kindof knew the RHD situation would be a cluster going into this season with 4 of them making 2+ million. Barrie and his caphit will be hard to move unless we either 1) retain or 2) take back similar cap. There are options out there and Trotz will weigh em. So far most the moves he has made seem to be doin pretty decent.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I don't think retention is going to be an issue, since it's not like we're going to move anybody else with retention this year. It's more just the cash. It's not worth $X million to buy a 5th round pick, even if X is cut in half. Those picks aren't worth any real money.

 

[herzausstein]

With 1 retention spot left, it is more just where do we use to to maximize benefit. If we are going to trade fabbro, would retaining 50% on him for the season and holding onto barrie be better use of the retention spot than retaining 50% on barrie and getting a mid round pick?

 

[Armourboy]

I'm not even sure anyone wants Barrie with retention.

 

[BigFatCat999]

I'm glad Trotz doesn't have your attitudes. Before coming to Nashville, Barrie consistently scored 40 pts a season as a defenseman.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'm glad Trotz doesn't have your attitudes. Before coming to Nashville, Barrie consistently scored 40 pts a season as a defenseman.

Cal Foote would score 40 pts a season getting regular PP and EV time with McDrai.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Cal Foote would score 40 pts a season getting regular PP and EV time with McDrai.

and Colorado

 

[herzausstein]

Cal Foote would score 40 pts a season getting regular PP and EV time with McDrai.

He was a 40+ point a season player before McDrai as well. Points is his thing. Defense is.... less his thing.

As for a market for Barrie, Toronto gave Klingberg 4.15M x 1Y this offseason and he was worse last season than Barrie. There is likely some sort of market for Barrie given retention. Return might not be much or might just be a ufa for ufa contract swap but there is a buyer out there.

 

[Predsanddead24]

He was a 40+ point a season player before McDrai as well. Points is his thing. Defense is.... less his thing.

As for a market for Barrie, Toronto gave Klingberg 4.15M x 1Y this offseason and he was worse last season than Barrie. There is likely some sort of market for Barrie given retention. Return might not be much or might just be a ufa for ufa contract swap but there is a buyer out there.

I'm not sure Klingberg's contract means much except maybe we would have had better luck trying to move Barrie in the offseason. Cap space is even tighter now than it was in the offseason. I just have a hard time looking around the league and seeing a team that would both want him and have the space to fit him in even at 50% retained.

 

[Armourboy]

Generally speaking at the trade deadline playoff teams aren't looking for a PP specialist, they are k oozing for a guy that can fill minutes better than what they have. Whatever the return is won't be enough to matter.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I'm not sure Klingberg's contract means much except maybe we would have had better luck trying to move Barrie in the offseason. Cap space is even tighter now than it was in the offseason. I just have a hard time looking around the league and seeing a team that would both want him and have the space to fit him in even at 50% retained.

It's almost halfway through the season so his salary cap hit would be pro-rated, right?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I would compare Barrie more to guys like Gostisbehere, DeAngelo, or Will Butcher... those guys have bounced around, and some years in the right situations they put up points (e.g. Ghost this year) and other years in the wrong situations they are practically out of the league entirely. It's definitely tough to find the right niche for those guys, so I think it's ok if we just consider Barrie as the Cap Dump the Oilers needed to take on Ekholm, and nothing more. We can let him walk. And if he lights it up in his next venue, great, but that doesn't mean anything to us.

 

[herzausstein]

I'm not sure Klingberg's contract means much except maybe we would have had better luck trying to move Barrie in the offseason. Cap space is even tighter now than it was in the offseason. I just have a hard time looking around the league and seeing a team that would both want him and have the space to fit him in even at 50% retained.

Just shows that atleast certain GMs see Barrie's caphit as close to market value using Klingberg as a comparable regardless of what we think of it. Making cap work is a different situation of course which may make trading him impossible.

Gostisbehere also got a similar 4.125M x 1Y contract. So seems to be about market rate but as you correctly pointed out where and how (cap)

 

[Predsanddead24]

It's almost halfway through the season so his salary cap hit would be pro-rated, right?

Yes but even with the pro rated hit a lot of teams can't fit him right now. Then you need a team with an opening on their first PP unit who is in the playoff hunt. That narrows it down pretty quickly to potential options. I suspect we may be able to move him at the deadline but I think teams will want to survey the full trade market before they make a choice on Barrie.

Just shows that atleast certain GMs see Barrie's caphit as close to market value using Klingberg as a comparable regardless of what we think of it. Making cap work is a different situation of course which may make trading him impossible.

Gostisbehere also got a similar 4.125M x 1Y contract. So seems to be about market rate but as you correctly pointed out where and how (cap)

I would argue that Gostisbehere and Klingberg both had better seasons last year than Barrie is this year though. Those guys are also sort of interesting comparisons from a trade value perspective since they both got moved at the deadline last season too. Gostisbehere for a 3rd and Klingberg for a 4th/mediocre prospect. That's probably the best we can hope for but like I said I think it'll be the deadline before that even becomes a possibility.