HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Mrb1p]

Newhook, Roy, and a guy not even on the team.

Sorry those guys, other than Dach, aren’t equal or better than him.

I mean, Newhook paced for 14 less points while playing most of the year with Anderson and being a secondary scoring option. He's better along the boards and defensively too. Roy looked every bit as good as Cole in his stint. Also, they don't even need to be as good, they just need to be good. If Cole can get us a player that actually fits the make-up of this team Id be down. Unsure what that would be though.

 

[SlafySZN]

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[26Mats]

Dumping Anderson for another guy in need for a change would be great. I'd even add one of the surplus D and/or the Jets pick to make it happen.

Any candidates?

That Jets pick could be a very valuable piece going forward.

I think Anderson will be fine on a 4th line with RHP and Evan's. He always played well with RHP. I'm not sure why it took MSL until game 79 to reunite them.

 

[Benstheman]

Dumping Anderson for another guy in need for a change would be great. I'd even add one of the surplus D and/or the Jets pick to make it happen.

Any candidates?

Laine for Anderson, Harris and Winnipeg's 1st??

 

[SlafySZN]

I mean, Newhook paced for 14 less points while playing most of the year with Anderson and being a secondary scoring option. He's better along the boards and defensively too. Roy looked every bit as good as Cole in his stint. Also, they don't even need to be as good, they just need to be good. If Cole can get us a player that actually fits the make-up of this team Id be down. Unsure what that would be though.

No, they need to be as good or better/score more. This team are missing talent, not the other way around.

Plus, a Newhook pacing for something compared to a Caufield that is adjusting back to how he was before his injury isn’t some comparable. Neither is Roy 20 games.

The team doesn’t make up their opinion after 1 season, like you’re doing.

 

[Benstheman]

Newhook, Roy, and a guy not even drafted.

Sorry those guys, other than Dach, aren’t equal or better than him.

Having players with no high end qualities, just good ‘’all around’’ doesn’t work either.

i'm starting to like Newhook alot. His speed is high end i would say and is shot is pretty good.

Not saying he is CC equal but i could see him becoming a solid 2nd liner.

And for the record : No, i wouldn't trade Caufield. Yes we need him to be better but for christ's sake, he just scored 27g and 65 pts and can absolutely be better. We need his offense desperately.

I feel like that would be no where near enough for a mid first round pick?

I mean shit if all it takes to get a pick in the 15-20 range is Harris + a 3rd round pick sign me up.

agreed.

 

[SlafySZN]

i'm starting to like Newhook alot. His speed is high end i would say and is shot is pretty good.

Not saying he is CC equal but i could see him becoming a solid 2nd liner.

And for the record : No, i wouldn't trade Caufield. Yes we need him to be better but for christ's sake, he just scored 27g and 65 pts and can absolutely be better. We need his offense desperately.

I like Newhook, don’t get me wrong. But saying he’s a guy you keep over Caufield is ridiculous. Some are just overanalyzing CC’s season. 28 goals and 65 points after a season ending surgery, first complete season is pretty good.

 

[Kosseca]

I don't see a trade happening at the draft but after UFA day. Habs still have lots of draft picks and young D to trade.

Right now we have :

LHD RHD
Matheson Savard
Guhle Barron
Xhekaj Kovacevic
Struble Harris

We have no spots available for Hutson, Reinbacher or Mailloux. While i'm pretty sure they will want one of them to make the club from the camp, we absolutely have to trade 2 Ds in the off-season.

Barron, Kovacevic. Struble and Harris are all expendable for the right trade in my mind. But beside the number of D that we have, there is also something missing: a replacement for Savard on RD - big, physical, block shots, but faster and younger.

 

[Mrb1p]

I like Newhook, don’t get me wrong. But saying he’s a guy you keep over Caufield is ridiculous. Some are just overanalyzing CC’s season. 28 goals and 65 points after a season ending surgery, first complete season is pretty good.

You don't throw a blind pass up the middle giving up possession because you're injured. Caufield always was gonna be a "you take the bad with the good" but now the bad overshadows the good. He's actually costing the 1st line. If we can get an actual first liner for him that will compliment Slaf and Nick, it should be done. Again, you're falling in love with the player rather than trying to build a winner. It's the same thing that lead us to having Petry, Anderson and Gallagher for too long on this roster.

Im not even sure what would make sense as a trade partner, we'd either be targetting a similarly aged wing, a 2nd line C or a RD and Im not sure there'd be a lot of GMs looking to make a side-way trade. I surely don't want to trade Caufield for picks or an old player. I did think about Kaprizov and his upcoming contract status though. Sanheim is another one that's interesting.

 

[Rapala]

Ok let say Guhle take all of Matheson minutes and the team isn’t skipping a beat, how confident are you that the next guy up can take all of Guhle minute and that the next guy can also step up… if the guys under Matheson could handle more minute they would…

The biggest question remains what will you get for him? 2 years at 4.8M$ top 15 D in basically all stats, skating and size.

If one of the RD in our system can't take on the 21:00 career minutes Guhle is giving us then we are screwed.
Not to mention Matheson's contract looks great while he is the Man slurping up all the gravy.
The contract reverts back to average when looking at his career best in a secondary role.

It's very possible Xhekaj and Engstrom will easily match his totals while becoming much better defenders.
When Lane Hutson becomes the PP specialist we all think he is Mike Matheson's perfect world won't be so perfect anymore.
He can easily become expendable.

 

[Benstheman]

You don't throw a blind pass up the middle giving up possession because you're injured. Caufield always was gonna be a "you take the bad with the good" but now the bad overshadows the good. He's actually costing the 1st line. If we can get an actual first liner for him that will compliment Slaf and Nick, it should be done. Again, you're falling in love with the player rather than trying to build a winner. It's the same thing that lead us to having Petry, Anderson and Gallagher for too long on this roster.

Im not even sure what would make sense as a trade partner, we'd either be targetting a similarly aged wing, a 2nd line C or a RD and Im not sure there'd be a lot of GMs looking to make a side-way trade. I surely don't want to trade Caufield for picks or an old player. I did think about Kaprizov and his upcoming contract status though. Sanheim is another one that's interesting.

Quite interesting. I did wonder myself if Kaprizov could be a possibily for us. Personnaly, i would be interested next offseason if Minn. is not ready to give him what he asks. And i think Caufield would be the kind of player that make them think, as a great base for a package.

The thing you have to ask yourself is do you keep Caufield at 7,8M$ per or go for Kaprizov at 12M$ per?

 

[Mrb1p]

Quite interesting. I did wonder myself if Kaprizov could be a possibily for us. Personnaly, i would be interested next offseason if Minn. is not ready to give him what he asks. And i think Caufield would be the kind of player that make them think, as a great base for a package.

The thing you have to ask yourself is do you keep Caufield at 7,8M$ per or go for Kaprizov at 12M$ per?

I don't know what Kaprizov will ask for. To me he's worth the 2-3 millions more he'd ask.

12 is high though, thats for sure. He would pretty much transform our team and make us a contender. By doing it at the draft, it also allows us to go for either a D or size in the top 6. Instead of drafting Demidov, we could go for Levshunov, Lindstorm.

Kaprizov-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Roy-Dach-Lindstrom

It's making me giddy.

 

[Benstheman]

I don't know what Kaprizov will ask for. To me he's worth the 2-3 millions more he'd ask.

12 is high though, thats for sure. He would pretty much transform our team and make us a contender. By doing it at the draft, it also allows us to go for either a D or size in the top 6. Instead of drafting Demidov, we could go for Levshunov, Lindstorm.

Kaprizov-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Roy-Dach-Lindstrom

It's making me giddy.

I wouldn't do it this summer though as we couldn't sign Kaprisov to an extension from the start. So to much risks for me.

 

[Benstheman]

Barron, Kovacevic. Struble and Harris are all expendable for the right trade in my mind. But beside the number of D that we have, there is also something missing: a replacement for Savard on RD - big, physical, block shots, but faster and younger.

That RHD for me could be Rasmus Andersson from Calgary. Keep Savard for next season and go for Andersson as a trade target in 2025 offseason. Not as physical as Savard but he is a true top 3 D that plays a lot of minutes and blocks alot of shots. Plays PK and is good for 40-50 pts a season.

 

[Rapala]

Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Savard
Hutson - Struble
Barron - Mailloux
Harris - Reinbacher
Kovacevic

There is a 20 year old Dman in Sweden who has a prominent place in this group he's probably already better than 4 or 5 of the players listed.
We need to shore up our RD and stop trying to use lefties while we are at it.
Once Savard is gone Reinbacher Mailloux Barron and Kovacevic just isn't going to cut it.
I could see us trading for a younger stay at home vet to replace Savard.
Not a chance in hell Reinbacher can jump into a top pairing role for a couple of seasons yet.
I'm using Guhle as a measuring stick which while not being an exact science shows what will be required of him.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

I don't know what Kaprizov will ask for. To me he's worth the 2-3 millions more he'd ask.

12 is high though, thats for sure. He would pretty much transform our team and make us a contender. By doing it at the draft, it also allows us to go for either a D or size in the top 6. Instead of drafting Demidov, we could go for Levshunov, Lindstorm.

Kaprizov-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Roy-Dach-Lindstrom

It's making me giddy.

I would add our first and one of our young dman to get Kirill. That is a top G right here.

 

[Mrb1p]

That RHD for me could be Rasmus Andersson from Calgary. Keep Savard for next season and go for Andersson as a trade target in 2025 offseason. Not as physical as Savard but he is a true top 3 D that plays a lot of minutes and blocks alot of shots. Plays PK and is good for 40-50 pts a season.

If Andersson is made available he should be a clear target. 4.5 millions for two more years, plays physical, moves the puck well, not the most defensively responsible but good enough.

 

[calder candidate]

If one of the RD in our system can't take on the 21:00 career minutes Guhle is giving us then we are screwed.
Not to mention Matheson's contract looks great while he is the Man slurping up all the gravy.
The contract reverts back to average when looking at his career best in a secondary role.

It's very possible Xhekaj and Engstrom will easily match his totals while becoming much better defenders.
When Lane Hutson becomes the PP specialist we all think he is Mike Matheson's perfect world won't be so perfect anymore.
He can easily become expendable.

There is a domino effect you need someone to step in for Guhle and you have to someone else stepping up for that guy and so on... It isn't just the minutes, now your playing 22min vs. 17min but your also playing vs. higher competion.. Matheson is playing over 25min, if the guys we had couldn't take a 3-4 extra minutes this years, next year they will take all 25min...

Even if you take out the PP Matheson is still a legit Top4 D, the contrat is out of this world look at all the D make more than him over the next 2 years this won't be a anchor at any point and he want to play here. Matheson is expendable just like Turgeon was expandable and even if he is the odd man out (which he could still be), you can't just give him away, if you aren't getting significant return your better off just keeping him.

 

[Rapala]

There is a domino effect you need someone to step in for Guhle and you have to someone else stepping up for that guy and so on... It isn't just the minutes, now your playing 22min vs. 17min but your also playing vs. higher competion.. Matheson is playing over 25min, if the guys we had couldn't take a 3-4 extra minutes this years, next year they will take all 25min...

Even if you take out the PP Matheson is still a legit Top4 D, the contrat is out of this world look at all the D make more than him over the next 2 years this won't be a anchor at any point and he want to play here. Matheson is expendable just like Turgeon was expandable and even if he is the odd man out (which he could still be), you can't just give him away, if you aren't getting significant return your better off just keeping him.

The bulk of Matheson's extra minutes are PP minutes. If Hutson is taking those the domino effect is rather insignificant.
It's really easy to pull up the top dmen by production in the league and then compare categories.
Matheson sticks out like a sore thumb for many of the wrong reasons. We know he isn't number 1 material period.

 

[Sunfyre]

Barron, Kovacevic. Struble and Harris are all expendable for the right trade in my mind. But beside the number of D that we have, there is also something missing: a replacement for Savard on RD - big, physical, block shots, but faster and younger.

Brad Pesce

 

[Team_Spirit]

Laine for Anderson, Harris and Winnipeg's 1st??

I like that but wouldn't the Jackets be able to get a 1st and a depth D without taking Anderson?

 

[JoelWarlord]

I know it'll never happen but I would love to figure out a way to get Carlo out of Boston.

 

[Scintillating10]

Dach? Newhook? Demidov? Roy?

It's more than the shoulder. He's been making shit decisions and he's costing a lot of puck possession. He's just not as smart as we thought he was.

I'd seriously explore the trade avenue while his value is still high. The last thing we want is to fall in love with players and not see beyond their qualities . The end goal is at least a cup and I'm not sure Caufield is that essential.

You want trade Caufield?

 

[Benstheman]

I like that but wouldn't the Jackets be able to get a 1st and a depth D without taking Anderson?

Don’t think so. With his current situation and the money he makes, he his a big risk for any team trading for him. They won’t have choice to take salary back imo.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

You don't throw a blind pass up the middle giving up possession because you're injured. Caufield always was gonna be a "you take the bad with the good" but now the bad overshadows the good. He's actually costing the 1st line. If we can get an actual first liner for him that will compliment Slaf and Nick, it should be done. Again, you're falling in love with the player rather than trying to build a winner. It's the same thing that lead us to having Petry, Anderson and Gallagher for too long on this roster.

Im not even sure what would make sense as a trade partner, we'd either be targetting a similarly aged wing, a 2nd line C or a RD and Im not sure there'd be a lot of GMs looking to make a side-way trade. I surely don't want to trade Caufield for picks or an old player. I did think about Kaprizov and his upcoming contract status though. Sanheim is another one that's interesting.

There’s not a chance in heck Minnesota is ever trading kaprizov. They are paying him. Wild owner is a billionaire who always spent. There’s a read wild has drafted so many Russians players including a top prospect whose coming