Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XV
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That's fine but Parise and Koivu are better defensive forwards than Haula. They just didn't see PK time because they are better suited for offensive situations and resting during the PK. We could probably roll with a Graovac-Haula-Brodin-Suter PK and it'd do well. Then throw Koivu-Parise-Scandella-Folin for the last minute to 30 seconds.Spurgeon said:
We would rather Parise can save his icetime for 5v5 and PP instead of PK whenever possible. Yes, Zach will see some PK time, but it's usually at the end of a PK with Granlund, so they can shift right back to offense once the PK is done.
Haula is an elite PK player, and with Brodz gone... easily the best option there. 4th line doesn't skate much, but he can munch minutes on the PK and save other players from having to.
Players don't usually kill for a minute straight unless they can't get the puck out of the zone, otherwise frequent changes - 20-30 second shifts if they can keep clearing the puck on a really good kill.
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FWIW, of all forwards with 50 short handed minutes last year, Carter was the best at suppressing shot attempts. And it was by a relatively significant margin. Haula and Zucker were a close 3rd and 2nd respectively.
In fact, over the last 4 years, Carter is number 1 league wide amongst forwards in suppressing shot at attempts, at 73.58 SAT/60 while shorthanded. Finshing as high as 2nd, and as low as 15th in the league in any individual year. So its been shown to be atleast somewhat a repeatable skill. I'd say he's probably our best PKer, and him and Haula will see a lot of short handed time.
In fact, over the last 4 years, Carter is number 1 league wide amongst forwards in suppressing shot at attempts, at 73.58 SAT/60 while shorthanded. Finshing as high as 2nd, and as low as 15th in the league in any individual year. So its been shown to be atleast somewhat a repeatable skill. I'd say he's probably our best PKer, and him and Haula will see a lot of short handed time.
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In regards to Spurgeon's next deal, from the previous thread, I would offer a middle ground between Scandella's deal (5 x $4M per) and Leddy's deal (7 x $5.5M per):
6 x $4.75M per
If he declines, play out the year and explore trade offers next summer.
6 x $4.75M per
If he declines, play out the year and explore trade offers next summer.
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Pretty sure it's not going to happen though. As long as Dumba doesn't crash and burn, they'll trade Spurgeon and elevate Folin for 1/4 of the price.
While fans want to keep Spurgeon they have to remember this is a business and saving cap whenever possible is key. If Spurgeon wants $4m then sign me up to keep him. If he wants anywhere near $5m+ then ship him for one of these deals as proposed on the main board:
Nyquist+Pulkkinen+Kindl for Coyle+Spurgeon
Or
CBJ
Nyquist
Spurgeon
MINNY
Atkinson
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DETROIT
Johnson
2017 2nd cbj
TwiztedHeat
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I've been made well aware that we aren't dealing Spurgeon for prospects. Nyquist is proven top 6 RW, Pulkkinen has the making to break out in a big way next season and Kindl has an extremely cheap buyout.
Too bad Philly has so many young promising d-men prospects, otherwise I'd definitely be interested in offering Spurgeon+ for either Schenn or Couturier, but then again, both of those guys would likely command a better d-man coming back then Spurgeon.
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Minnesota does this without hesitation. Detroit declines. IMO, at least. If that deal happened I would be joyous.
That was proposed by a Detroit fan... Then others were agreeing it to be a good deal. It's pretty fair IMO.
Nyquist=Spurgeon
Coyle=Pulkkinen+Kindl
Kindl isn't very good and carries a $2.75m cap hit so we did get a cap dump. If we bought him out it wouldn't be over $1m at any time.
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The Wild don't even consider that deal. They might have interest in something around Spurgeon/Nyquist, but Coyle for Pulkkinen certainly isn't close to what would even things out. Adding $3M worth of dead money from Detroit just makes it an even bigger joke of a trade.
My favorite part though, is the Wild package Spurgeon and one of the young forwards, and come out older, more expensive, and worse off at center.
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Eh. Guess I'm higher on Nyquist and lower on Coyle than others. Still would prefer to figure out a way to keep Spurgeon, though.
That's insane to think the Wild don't even consider that deal. Adding Nyquist and Pulkkinen is a HUGE upgrade to our right wing depth and we have Haula/Graovac who can fight over 3rd line center at a much lower cost than Coyle's $3.2m. With Kindl we can keep him for a year and then buy him out for a cheap $400k and $1m. The Wild's defensive group will drop a bit but we still have plenty of depth in case of injury. The forward group will take off with the addition of 27 goal scorer and a likely 10-15 goal rookie (think Nino's 14 goal first year with us). Then we have Backstrom-Vanek-Koivu coming off the books in back-to-back-to-back seasons. If cap room becomes an issue we have a choice between a Pominville trade or a Vanek buyout. When Vanek leaves:
Parise-Granlund-Nyquist
Zucker-Koivu-Pominville
Nino-Graovac-Pulkkinen
Schroeder-Haula-Fontaine
Parise-Granlund-Nyquist
Zucker-Koivu-Pominville
Nino-Graovac-Pulkkinen
Schroeder-Haula-Fontaine
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Nah.
I don't think it would be a bad deal at all, and definitely would consider it. Reasoning being that while Coyle can play C, he is IMO better at RW. It is currently bit of a weakness for us, but can be turned into a strength with the acquisition of Nyquist and Pulkkinen, one already a bona fide top-6 scorer and other tracking to become one.
Losing Spurgeon would definitely hurt. A lot. I would keep him, if possible. Still, I understand that if we have to trade someone, he is going to be the most realistic target in terms of receiving fair value and being a movable asset.
The issue is that one winger at least has to go at that point to gain a center, unless Graovac amazes us all on camp. Why? Because our depth chart would look something like this:
LW: Parise, Vanek, Nino, Zucker, Carter
RW: Pominville, Nyquist, Pulkkinen, Fontaine, Schroeder
C: Granlund, Koivu, Haula, Graovac
Obviously Carter and even Schroeder can play C if necessary, but still, that would create a bit of an issue. Namely, who do you put on 4th line? Zucker - Haula - Fontaine? While it's an interesting and definitely fast option, I don't think Yeo would actually ice that line.
But, let's say it goes through and we trade Spurgeon and Coyle. Going into next season, our lines would look something like this:
Parise - Granlund - Pominville
Niederreiter - Koivu - Nyquist
Vanek - Graovac - Pulkkinen
Zucker - Haula - Fontaine
Carter, Schroeder
Suter - Brodin
Scandella - Dumba
Kindl - Folin/Reilly
Reilly/Folin
Those are not definitive lines, just something I though of quickly. It's an interesting idea, but in real world... might not work.
Losing Spurgeon would definitely hurt. A lot. I would keep him, if possible. Still, I understand that if we have to trade someone, he is going to be the most realistic target in terms of receiving fair value and being a movable asset.
The issue is that one winger at least has to go at that point to gain a center, unless Graovac amazes us all on camp. Why? Because our depth chart would look something like this:
LW: Parise, Vanek, Nino, Zucker, Carter
RW: Pominville, Nyquist, Pulkkinen, Fontaine, Schroeder
C: Granlund, Koivu, Haula, Graovac
Obviously Carter and even Schroeder can play C if necessary, but still, that would create a bit of an issue. Namely, who do you put on 4th line? Zucker - Haula - Fontaine? While it's an interesting and definitely fast option, I don't think Yeo would actually ice that line.
But, let's say it goes through and we trade Spurgeon and Coyle. Going into next season, our lines would look something like this:
Parise - Granlund - Pominville
Niederreiter - Koivu - Nyquist
Vanek - Graovac - Pulkkinen
Zucker - Haula - Fontaine
Carter, Schroeder
Suter - Brodin
Scandella - Dumba
Kindl - Folin/Reilly
Reilly/Folin
Those are not definitive lines, just something I though of quickly. It's an interesting idea, but in real world... might not work.
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I completely agree with you. Larkin is going to be a beast and is a hometown kid for them.
Flaw in your argument... Graovac hasn't earned an NHL spot yet, and I'd be afraid to give him one without much competition. Haula, there are people on this board who question whether they want him as the 4th line center right now let alone 3rd line center due to his down year.
Can't just give away center depth we don't have.
Haula or Graovac as a 3rd line center isn't the end of the world. Carter is locked in as our 4th line center. If 3C is our biggest issue then damn we've got it good. What about Matt Cullen?
Haula or Graovac as a 3rd line center isn't the end of the world. Carter is locked in as our 4th line center. If 3C is our biggest issue then damn we've got it good. What about Matt Cullen?
You're right, it's not the end of the world if they can handle it... but it really hurts the team's playoff chances if neither of them are ready for it.
Don't hand a position over to a player until you are absolutely sure he can handle it.
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