It's going well so far. Roy, CC, Guhle, Hutson and Slaf have all made huge gains in and outside the NHL.
Some players are just good. Hutson's development has nothing to do with us. He's in college. Everyone else has to pan out. Guhle has to stay healthy, Slaf needs to be more consistent, Roy's doing well, he needs to keep it up.
Leblanc went exactly where he was expected to go and was considred a very 'safe' pick. He wasnt' a blue chip star but he was a blue chip NHLer. And we didn't even get him past SL.
Again, my opinion was that he was a bad pick, even at the time. In the first round, you draft people with the potential to be elite. You don'tdraft guys with no tools.
Go read the article he wrote. It's incredible and sad at the same time.
I'll look into it.
If you trade Josh Anderson for Sidney Crosby is a good trade? Yes it is. And it's a good trade whether Crosby gets hit by a bus or not.
Dach's injury had zero to do with previous health issues. It was a fluke and doesn't lessen the fact that it was a great move at the time.
Complete conjecture on my part, but I'm getting injury prone vibes from both him and his brother. Trading Anderson for Crosby doesn't happen. Romanov becoming a high first that became Dach is not the same thing. It was trading a Romanov for a first round pick which was flipped for a huge roll of the dice. There's a reason many on here were hesitant to trade for Dach, and inventing different trade scenarios that aren't comparable doesn't mean we shouldn't evaluate the eventual results of this trade.
Hutson has already outperformed any expectation we could've possibly had. Slaf is improving by leaps and bounds. Waiting and seeing is fine but based on now it looks good.
Slaf's doing well. he needs to maintain consistency and produce well. He is, on the first line after all. I know we all wanted something like 40 points out of him at the start of the season, but he's playing on the first line with our most talented guys. I'm not gonna move the goal posts, but he definitely needs to go crazy next year if he stays there.
Hutson's honestly performing how I expected him to. I was always very high on him.
Meh, not really. Again you want vets to offload from the kids. It made sense to re-sign him at the time and nobody really had an issue with it. Then Montie emerged and we all of a sudden had a good problem on our hands. To go after this is nit picking at best.
Agree to disagree. I think this was a wonky contract that we've had to waste a retention slot next year on to get rid of. This, in addition to the Petry slot, leaves us with only one next year.
Again, I'm sure they regret not doing it. But they also didn't expect Anderson to start shitting his own pants.
His hockey sense has always been pretty bad. This was not super shocking to anyone. Maybe him being THIS bad was a little shocking, but no one is shocked by a falloff.
You shouldn't. He's produced really well and had 5 goals in 7 games before getting hurt. He's come back and been an effective top sixer. At a miminum he's a good depth player with speed.
I would have used that draft capital for the type of players we don't actually have in our system.
It seems you are saying we need to wait and see on the positive but are ready to make judgements on the negative.
The fact is this: you don't know.
Nor do you. You are doing the same thing positively.
You don't ruin a prospect to tank lower. It doesn't work that way. It'd be the same with trading away Savard. Whatever return you get for him is going to be worse in terms of how the younger players develop.
There is no evidence that losing hurts your team long-term. plenty of teams have been the worst teams in the league and then won cups once they rebuilt.
He's top ten in shots. All the underlying play is an improvement over anything he's done. He's throwing hits every night. That shoulder doesn't seem to be a problem.
Why he's not scoring... I don't know. I don't know if CC knows. But if it was a shoulder issue I doubt he'd be playing the way he is.
Depending on the injury, different motions could be the issue. His shot doesn't seem to have the zip it had in previous years. Just an observation. In all fairness, I think he'll be better next year after a summer of rest.
I'm suffering with frozen shoulder right now btw... 15 months in.
Sorry to hear it.
Nobody cares. We got a first for him coming and going. Monahan is playing well for the Jets. He's an injury prone player and it's not a suprise he got hurt. And we dealt him before he inevitably gets hurt again. I don't even know why you have this here. We got TWO firsts for that guy. That is a f***ing magic trick and belongs on the positive side of the ledger.
Yes. the two picks we got are good (awesome even). But playing him injured was a mistake and indicative of a problem with priorities at some level of management, in my view..
Coaches are not going to intentionally tank. It doesn't happen. Nobody is going to play an inferior goalie man. And they certainly aren't going to do it when that goalie is young and you're going to ruin him. This isn't Playstation.
Sure, Bergy.
This is where management needs to override coaching and be like "Hey, what's up, Coach Bombay. I know you want to win every game due to your chronic Napoleon complex and have guys skate through walls for you, but we need to showcase Allen and give Primeau some development, so please play all goalies evenly."
How? By exposing the 2nd youngest team in the league to defensive assignments they aren't ready for? I don't think Hughes was against trading Savard but it wasn't going to be for a 2nd. Nobody wanted to offer a first... okay cool, keep the guy.
Sure. There is no evidence that losing hurts your team long-term. plenty of teams have been the worst teams in the league and then won cups once they rebuilt.
And we're already 'tanking hard'. We already had a first. We already had a top five and we're going to have another top ten now. Add to that the sheer volume of picks and prospects we've dealt for. This is a classic rebuild. Exactly what we're supposed to do.
Your criticisms here may have some validity but over all it's pretty ticky-tacky stuff. Big picture wise we're stockpiling picks and prospects. Exactly what we're supposed to do. Yeah, we could've dealt Anderson or whatever but it's more than made up for with moves like Monahan. The reality is that we have to wait and see where we're going... just like the Bruins did with Pasta, Ottawa did with Chara and Tampa did with Kucherov. It takes time before you know how good those players are.
Problem is I just don't see the guys with those tools in the system. I don't see a future Chara or a future Hedman, or a future Kopitar, or a future Pasta.
For ceilings, I see a potential future Burns in Mailloux. I see a potential future Rantanen in Slaf. Maybe a Richer in Caufield if he gets it together. Reinbacher gives me Darnell Nurse vibes... Not sure what his ceiling is, but I hope I'm wrong. Guhle looks like... A much better-skating Weber without the shot? Hutson could be Fox, but he needs to learn how to Markov with his stick defensively.
All potentially good pieces of the puzzle, but my issue is that a tank is the time to be acquiring guaranteed top end talent, and that's where we're f***ing up, other than my nit-picks, as you call them. That would be my MAJOR issue.