Proposal: Tor-Chi

[Namikaze Minato]

You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about

He's a Habs fan that weighs in on all leafs trade rumours and discussions with absolute authority. He knows that Toronto needs to add no matter what and the other team scoffs anyways!

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Wouldn’t do this

It’s funny how people are acting like this isn’t just a touch above a standard rental deal, when this is a much better than average rental player

Rentals always go for 1st + prospect. This one has a second tacked on

 

[Fatass]

Wouldn’t do this

It’s funny how people are acting like this isn’t just a touch above a standard rental deal, when this is a much better than average rental player

Rentals always go for 1st + prospect. This one has a second tacked on

Often rentals come with a lot of retention. And why would the Hawks be in the rental market?
A fair trade would be Marner for Seth Jones.

 

[hamzarocks]

Often rentals come with a lot of retention. And why would the Hawks be in the rental market?
A fair trade would be Marner for Seth Jones.

Seth Jones is a 6 year cap dump

Get out of here with that

 

[FerrisRox]

Realistically, even with an extension in place, Marner wouldn't want to play for a non-playoff team.

You are talking about, at most the difference of seven games.

 

[Fatass]

Seth Jones is a 6 year cap dump

Get out of here with that

Jokes is a legit #1D. Right shot too, so he could pair up with Reilly. And the Leafs save a couple mil on the cap difference.

 

[CTHabsfan]

He didn't say midseason...

Chicago could flip him right away to a team Marner is willing to sign with long tem

Chicago would then have to receive a better package from that third team than Dach, the 34th overall pick this year, and an unprotected 1st-round pick next year. I don't see the OP offer as a trade either Chicago or Toronto makes.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Often rentals come with a lot of retention. And why would the Hawks be in the rental market?
A fair trade would be Marner for Seth Jones.

they get retained by 50 percent, so Marner could be too, but there’s an extra price there. as for the hawks, maybe they aren’t interested, but this isn’t some shocking ask from any team. We would be asking for a 1st++ in pure rental, much more if he’s extended.

I disagree with Marner for jones out right. Retain jones down to 7-7.5 and it’s maybe fair in a vacuum, but in reality no way in hell does Chicago retain 2-2.5 for 6 years.

 

[Fatass]

they get retained by 50 percent, so Marner could be too, but there’s an extra price there. as for the hawks, maybe they aren’t interested, but this isn’t some shocking ask from any team. We would be asking for a 1st++ in pure rental, much more if he’s extended.

I disagree with Marner for jones out right. Retain jones down to 7-7.5 and it’s maybe fair in a vacuum, but in reality no way in hell does Chicago retain 2-2.5 for 6 years.

We are just guessing what will happen with MM. imo though it’s going to be very difficult to trade him. So if Treliving could get Chicago to vote and MM to waive then getting Jones would greatly improve the Leafs’ D. He’d be great with Mo Reilly.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Seth Jones is a 6 year cap dump

Get out of here with that

Seth Jones is an ideal top pairing partner for Morgan Rielly. The only issue is that his cap hit is $2m too high and his contract is 1 or 2 years too long. I personally wouldn't mind the Leafs trading Marner for Jones, but it would be nice if we could get something additional back in the deal.

If we could convince Chicago to retain even $1.0m for the 6 years, that would be awesome. It's a LONG time but it's only 1 million. Cap is going up... I don't know, maybe.

 

[seanlinden]

no it doesn’t. Caphit is the key.

You are correct that cap hit is key for playoff teams, or at least, ones that are reasonably hopeful of getting there.

However, where his league minimum salary comes into play, is making it really easy for Mitch to have what might be the best contract in the league from a cap hit to $ perspective.

Go to a team like Anaheim, Chicago, or Buffalo on July 2, and get them to retain $5.5m of his cap hit. It costs that team roughly $400k in real money.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Seth Jones is an ideal top pairing partner for Morgan Rielly. The only issue is that his cap hit is $2m too high and his contract is 1 or 2 years too long. I personally wouldn't mind the Leafs trading Marner for Jones, but it would be nice if we could get something additional back in the deal.

If we could convince Chicago to retain even $1.0m for the 6 years, that would be awesome. It's a LONG time but it's only 1 million. Cap is going up... I don't know, maybe.

Could see the hawks retaining a million

 

[Fatass]

Seth Jones is an ideal top pairing partner for Morgan Rielly. The only issue is that his cap hit is $2m too high and his contract is 1 or 2 years too long. I personally wouldn't mind the Leafs trading Marner for Jones, but it would be nice if we could get something additional back in the deal.

If we could convince Chicago to retain even $1.0m for the 6 years, that would be awesome. It's a LONG time but it's only 1 million. Cap is going up... I don't know, maybe.

Marner would be really good for Bedard too. MM could set Bedard up like he does with Matthews. With Marner I’m thinking Bedard scores 50 and likely more.

 

[Space umpire]

Hawks would need to be able to talk to Marner and his agent before trade to work out extension

To
RW Mitch Marner (Extended)

To
C Colton Dach
Hawks 2024 2nd round pick (#34)
Hawks 2025 1st round pick (No protections)

Hawks extend Marner adding him to improve NHL team and look towards moving from getting from point A (Rebuild) to point B (Playoff contention) in coming years

With Hawks draft capital (Currently have 5 1st round picks + 8 2nd round picks over next 3 drafts) and a good prospect pool (Nazar, Moore, Rinzel, Del Mastro, etc) the team is on right track to begin process of improving and looking towards exiting the darkest part of rebuild timeline.

Leafs collect future package and free nearly $11M in cap room to look to strengthen other parts of team. For them this is clean break as they shakeup core and locker room

And you claim to be a Hawk fan. PLAYOFF MARNER doesn’t have much value. If they found a taker Chicago would retain and get back less than they paid Toronto.

 

[Space umpire]

Lucas Raymond is not on Marner’s level, he was the 4th pick 4 years ago. I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Marner

Luke Hughes rookie season wasn’t as good as Marner’s, he was 4OA in 2021

Marner did actually score 90+ points in his 3rd year

Get real

Sounds like the Leafs should keep him.

 

[Strangle]

Sounds like the Leafs should keep him.

Have you ever thought how weird it is that 31 teams could potentially play Marner for $5.5m next year, but the 32nd team in the league can’t?

Weird, right?

 

[HawksDub89]

Hard pass on paying premium assets for Marner.

A 2025 unprotected 1st? Gtfo. Lol

Hawks are still in a rebuild, giving up a potential top 10 pick next year would be disastrous.

I don’t hate Marner, but he’s just not a fit as a trade target.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Sounds like the Leafs should keep him.

Either that or trade him.

 

[4thline]

Hard pass on paying premium assets for Marner.

A 2025 unprotected 1st? Gtfo. Lol

Hawks are still in a rebuild, giving up a potential top 10 pick next year would be disastrous.

I don’t hate Marner, but he’s just not a fit as a trade target.

I completely get being against trading the 1st unprotected, but honestly I'm surprised at the lack of aggression / commitment to a long rebuild from Hawks fans.

The Leafs failed to get over the hump, but were playoffs the year after Matthews (with Nylander/Marner/Rielly in the 4 years prior, and have been playoffs ever since.

The last Blackhawks dynasty started with Toews and Kane on ELC's.

Bedard+2nd ovr + Korchinski a 2nd tier of Moore/Nazar/Rinzel/20th ovr, a very deep 3rd tier, a defense with Jones/Murphy/Vlasic already in place...

I get where OP is coming from, a few key adds + development and the Hawks are primed to surge up into another window

 

[Rec T]

If we could convince Chicago to retain even $1.0m for the 6 years, that would be awesome. It's a LONG time but it's only 1 million. Cap is going up... I don't know, maybe.

The retention could be a single dollar & it wouldn't matter. Teams only get three retention slots. No team is going to lock up one third of their slots for six years. It just handcuffs them too much for far too long.

 

[Space umpire]

Have you ever thought how weird it is that 31 teams could potentially play Marner for $5.5m next year, but the 32nd team in the league can’t?

Weird, right?

That sounds more like it would cost to move him. Why should teams pay value to help you out?
I’m really a Marner fan. I watched nearly every Leaf game. Marner is not their biggest problem.

Not having a tested playoff caliber goalie is.

Rielly being their best Dman while DEFENSIVELY he’d be a 3rd pair guy is.

Matthews hanging out n the high slot in his own zone (getting a few takeaways) … (stat padding) instead of being near the goal line helping Dmen is.

Shanahan handing Tavares 1C money well past his usefulness is.

Overpaying guys who simply won’t pay the price to win when it counts is.

Leaf players (most) earn their participation trophies in the regular season. Nobody who envisions winning the cup is paying significant assets to get any of them in a TDL deal. To date none have produced to justify it.