Top 5 players by position?

[Tavaresmagicalplay*]

Center:

Wing:

Goalie:

I was just wondering this. Sorry I didn't see a thread on it. Who are the all time greats in terms of career and not peak by position?

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[kmad]

c:
Gretzky
Lemieux
Beliveau
Mikita
Morenz

w:
Howe
Bobby Hull
Richard
Jagr
Lafleur

g:
Hasek
Roy
Plante
Sawchuk
Brodeur

 

[lextune]

Center:
Gretzky
Lemieux
Beliveau
Morenz
Mikita

Wing:
Howe
Hull
Richard
Lafleur
Jagr

Defense:
Orr
Harvey
Shore
Bourque
Kelly

Goalie:
Plante
Hasek
Roy
Sawchuk
Hall

 

[Tavaresmagicalplay*]

ah forgot defense.

 

[jkrx]

Center:

Gretzky
Lemieux
Beliveau
Mikita
Delvecchio

Wingers:

Howe
Hull
Jagr
LaFleur
Geoffrion

Defense:

Orr
Harvey
Bourque
Kelly
Shore

Goalie:

Hasek
Sawchuk
Plante
Dryden
Roy

 

[shazariahl]

Center:

Wing:

Goalie:

I was just wondering this. Sorry I didn't see a thread on it. Who are the all time greats in terms of career and not peak by position?

Even though I think Hasek is the greatest goalie of all time, I'm surprised to see him being mentioned here so much, given that the OP said in terms of career, not peak by position. I realize there's more to Hasek's career than just his NHL time, but when most people (myself included) think of Hasek, they think of his 8-year span in which he won 6 Vezinas. Same with Dryden, who I saw listed for someone - he did win 4 cups, so career wise he's a pretty strong selection there, but would he really be ahead of guys like Brodeur or Sawchuk who managed to hold most the career records?

Don't get me wrong - I think measuring players by career is less interesting (and important) than measuring by a combination of peak and career both, but that was what the OP asked for.

 

[Jarick]

I see a lot of potential for consensus

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Center:

1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Mario Lemieux
3) Jean Beliveau
4) Howie Morenz
5) Stan Mikita

Wings:

1) Gordie Howe
2) Bobby Hull
3) Maurice Richard
4) Guy Lafleur
5) Jaromir Jagr

Defense:

1) Bobby Orr
2) Doug Harvey
3) Eddie Shore
4) Raymond Bourque
5) Nicklas Lidstrom

Goalie:

1) Patrick Roy
2) Jacques Plante
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Martin Brodeur
5) Terry Sawchuk

 

[MXD]

Center:

1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Mario Lemieux
3) Jean Beliveau
4) Howie Morenz
5) Stan Mikita

Wings:

1) Gordie Howe
2) Bobby Hull
3) Maurice Richard
4) Guy Lafleur
5) Jaromir Jagr

Defense:

1) Bobby Orr
2) Doug Harvey
3) Eddie Shore
4) Raymond Bourque
5) Nicklas Lidstrom

Goalie:

1) Patrick Roy
2) Jacques Plante
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Glenn Hall
5) Terry Sawchuk

 

[MXD]

Except for jkrx's Delvecchio, it will be pretty consensual.

I see how points could be made for....

- Potvin vs. Lidstrom
- Brodeur vs Hall vs Sawchuck
- Bossy vs Jagr
- Trottier vs Mikita

 

[Infinite Vision*]

Even though I think Hasek is the greatest goalie of all time, I'm surprised to see him being mentioned here so much, given that the OP said in terms of career, not peak by position. I realize there's more to Hasek's career than just his NHL time, but when most people (myself included) think of Hasek, they think of his 8-year span in which he won 6 Vezinas. Same with Dryden, who I saw listed for someone - he did win 4 cups, so career wise he's a pretty strong selection there, but would he really be ahead of guys like Brodeur or Sawchuk who managed to hold most the career records?

Don't get me wrong - I think measuring players by career is less interesting (and important) than measuring by a combination of peak and career both, but that was what the OP asked for.

Are their peaks not part of their careers?

 

[Infinite Vision*]

Except for jkrx's Delvecchio, it will be pretty consensual.

I see how points could be made for....

- Potvin vs. Lidstrom
- Brodeur vs Hall vs Sawchuck
- Bossy vs Jagr
- Trottier vs Mikita

Agreed about Delvecchio.

Disagree about Bossy vs Jagr. That's a clear win for Jagr peak prime or career.

 

[MXD]

Agreed about Delvecchio.

Disagree about Bossy vs Jagr. That's a clear win for Jagr peak prime or career.

Actually, I said that "there's a point". Which doesn't mean much.

 

[Regal]

I would say it breaks down to something like this:

Centre

Gretzky
Lemieux

*pretty much consensus positioning, but some put Mario on top

Beliveau

*again, pretty much consensus

Morenz
Mikita
Esposito
Messier

* most would go Morenz then Mikita, but some might switch, and Espo and Messier might make it onto a few lists


Wingers:

Howe

* hard to argue for anyone else

Hull
Richard

* consensus 2-3, but lots of debate on the order

Lafleur
Jagr
Bossy

* there's some legitimate debate between how the three rank, though Lafleur seems to be considered the best. I don't think there's really much argument for anyone else


Defense:

Orr

* no debate really

Harvey
Shore

* consensus 2-3, but lots of debate on the order

Bourque

* pretty much consensus 4

Lidstrom
Potvin

*the usual 5-6 in some order, though Lidstrom probably has more support. The odd person might add Kelly or Robinson

Goaltenders:

Hasek
Plante
Roy

*basically the consensus top 3, though some might add guys from the next group, and there's lots of debate on the order here

Brodeur
Sawchuk
Hall
Dryden

*again, lots of debate on the order here, and some people might put these guys into the above list, but there isn't really anyone outside of these top 7, unless someone really feels strongly about Tretiak

 

[Tavaresmagicalplay*]

How close do Sakic and Yzerman come to top 5 at their position?

 

[MXD]

How close do Sakic and Yzerman come to top 5 at their position?

Well, I have them below Trottier, Esposito, Messier. There's also an argument for Milt Schmidt. Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that's where they belong. Basically, Top-10, or Top-10 very serious candidates.

 

[canucks4ever]

center:
gretzky
lemieux
beliveau
mikita
morenz

wings:
howe
hull
richard
jagr
lindsay

defense:
orr
bourque
harvey
shore
lidstrom

goalies:
plante
roy
hasek
hall
sawchuk

 

[jkrx]

Except for jkrx's Delvecchio, it will be pretty consensual.

I see how points could be made for....

- Potvin vs. Lidstrom
- Brodeur vs Hall vs Sawchuck
- Bossy vs Jagr
- Trottier vs Mikita

I admit that Delvecchio was a bit of a homer choice but he kept producing throughout his whole career (22 seasons). Not many 50s players did that.

 

[hound67]

Well, I have them below Trottier, Esposito, Messier. There's also an argument for Milt Schmidt. Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that's where they belong. Basically, Top-10, or Top-10 very serious candidates.

I'd say Bobby Clarke is above Sakic and Stevie Y as well.

 

[lextune]

I'd say Bobby Clarke is above Sakic and Stevie Y as well.

....and you'd be right.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I'd say Bobby Clarke is above Sakic and Stevie Y as well.

Peak for sure.. I mean he was putting up 100+ point seasons while being probably the best defensive forward ever but for career?

Bobby tailed off quickly once the mid-70s no-parity nhl got its act together again with the wha.

For sure he's right up there in that same group but I just am curious why you guys would rank him ahead of Yzerman and Sakic for career as well?

 

[tony d]

C:

Gretzky
Lemieux
Esposito
dionne
Mikita

LW:

Hull
Messier
Bucyk
Robitaille
Lindsay

RW:

Howe
Richard
Lafleur
Jagr
Bossy

D:

Orr
Bourque
Harvey
Shore
Potvin

G:

Roy
Sawchuk
Hasek
Brodeur
Plante

 

[Loto68]

C:

Gretzky
Lemieux
Esposito
dionne
Mikita

LW:

Hull
Messier
Bucyk
Robitaille
Lindsay

RW:

Howe
Richard
Lafleur
Jagr
Bossy

D:

Orr
Bourque
Harvey
Shore
Potvin

G:

Roy
Sawchuk
Hasek
Brodeur
Plante

Messier only played left wing for a couple of seasons.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Center:

1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Mario Lemieux
3) Jean Beliveau
4) Phillip Esposito
5) Stanislav Mikita

Wings:

1) Gordon Howe
2) Robert Hull
3) Jaromír Jágr
4) Guy Lafleur
5) Michael Bossy

Defense:

1) Robert Orr
2) Douglas Harvey
3) Edward Shore
4) Raymond Bourque
5) Denis Potvin

Goalie:

1) Dominik Hašek
2) Jacques Plante
3) Glenn Hall
4) Terrance Sawchuk
5) Patrick Roy

 

[King Woodballs]

lol at all the Haseks
he couldnt hold the jock of Brodeur, Roy, Sawchuk, Plante, Dryden