Top 30 NHL Players #23

[Brando]

1.	Connor McDavid			16.	Seth Jones
2.	Nathan MacKinnon			17.	Roman Josi
3.	Leon Draisaitl			18.	Patrice Bergeron
4.	Sidney Crosby			19.	Mark Stone
5.	Nikita Kucherov			20.	Alex Pietrangelo
6.	Artemi Panarin			21.	Elias Pettersson
7.	Alex Ovechkin			22.	John Carlson
8.	Evgeni Malkin
9.	Patrick Kane
10.	Victor Hedman
11.	David Pastrnak
12.	Auston Matthews
13.	Jack Eichel
14.	Brad Marchand
15.	Alexsander Barkov

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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Filip Forsberg 1
Evgeny Kuznetsov 1
Johnathan Toews
Nicklas Backstrom
Jaccob Slavin
Miro Heiskanen
Max Pacioretty
Tomas Hertl
Brent Burns
Thomas Chabot 1
Charlie McAvoy
Quinn Hughes
Cale Makar 1
Mathew Tkachuk
Jaden Schwartz
Kyle Connor
Patrik Laine
Morgan Rielly
Ryan Ellis 1
Kris Letang
Jake Guentzel
Jamie Benn

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[bobholly39]

Marner

By far the best/most proven offensive player left on here. You might argue Stamkos for that title - but I feel as though Marner is already slightly better and on the rise. I'd have them as next 2, with Point to follow

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Add Rantanen

 

[Brando]

Add Rantanen

He was supposed to be in the poll - just added him, thanks.

 

[bobholly39]

Add Rantanen

Good catch. I'd actually amend my previous post and add Rantanen to the tier of Marner/Stamkos/Point as the next 4. I'll still go Marner first, may go Ranta #2 though

 

[amnesiac]

add Kuzy

Hertl, Pacioretty, Heiskanen to add list

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Point here. A two way center who does it all.

 

[Krewe]

Marner

By far the best/most proven offensive player left on here. You might argue Stamkos for that title - but I feel as though Marner is already slightly better and on the rise. I'd have them as next 2, with Point to follow

Point is better than both. Better defensively than both, and he plays center unlike the other two (stamkos is on the wing now)

Point, then marner, then stamkos is an easy order for me

 

[bobholly39]

Point is better than both. Better defensively than both, and he plays center unlike the other two (stamkos is on the wing now)

Point, then marner, then stamkos is an easy order for me

Yeah - I've seen you and many other Tampa fans saying that repeatedly, Point over Stamkos

I acknowledge that I watch very few Tampa games so can't really back my opinion up on anything other than stats. But i'm much more an offense first guy vs defense - and I don't think Point has surpassed Stamkos offensively at all yet, which is why I still prefer Stamkos. Think they're all in the same tier though

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Yeah - I've seen you and many other Tampa fans saying that repeatedly, Point over Stamkos

I acknowledge that I watch very few Tampa games so can't really back my opinion up on anything other than stats. But i'm much more an offense first guy vs defense - and I don't think Point has surpassed Stamkos offensively at all yet, which is why I still prefer Stamkos. Think they're all in the same tier though

For the eye test, Brayden Point is one of the most impressive players in the league to watch. He's all over the ice - always in the right place, skates moving, hounding players, winning board battles, 50/50 pucks, making the right passes, etc. Doesn't hurt that he's a great goal scorer too.

Still, Stamkos' production speaks for itself. He may not be as "impressive" to watch, but his consistent place near the top of the league is hard to argue against. He can still pot one in the blink of an eye, and his playmaking has come a LONG way. His lethality is second to none, and he doesn't really need to "take over" a game to make an impact. I wouldn't fault anyone for erring either way on these 2.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

How is Marner winning over Point when they are the same age and have similar offensive production, but Point is a 2-way center

 

[bobholly39]

How is Marner winning over Point when they are the same age and have similar offensive production, but Point is a 2-way center

Point scored 66 points 2 years ago, paced for 95 points over 82 games last season (a season in which his winger scored more points than anyone in the NHL for the past 20 years, which likely helped), and is pacing for 80 points over 82 games this season.

Marner scored 69 points 2 years ago (comparable), scored 94 points last season (comparable, probably no one as good as Kucherov helping him along though), and repeated his performance by pacing for 93 points this year over 82 games.

I wouldn't say they're similar offensive production. Edge to Marner by repeating this year. If Point can solidify himself as similar offensive production - I'd agree with you, i just don't think he's there yet.

Another point in Marner's favor for me is - before either of them broke out last year, I expected Marner to reach 90+. So me thinking he'll continue at that level seems more a sure thing, especially since he maintained pace. Point took me by surprise, i didn't expect him to score so much - and he didn't repeat this season - so i'm less prone to say that's his level moving forward.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

How is Marner winning over Point when they are the same age and have similar offensive production, but Point is a 2-way center

More Leaf fans on here than TBay fans would be my explanation. I think both are close but Points better two way game and his more important position tip this to him imo. That said they are both very good players who should be picked around here.

 

[amnesiac]

Marner
Point
Stamkos
Tavares
Scheifele

 

[Emerz]

Couturier or Point probably

 

[Kappy]

Marner

add Nylander

 

[CatchyTune]

How is Marner winning over Point when they are the same age and have similar offensive production, but Point is a 2-way center

Point PPG: 0.98
Marner PPG: 1.14

Marner is great defensively, and at PKing too. Point has the upper hand, and have being a C rather a W, but its not absurd to go with Marner here.

 

[bert]

Marner

By far the best/most proven offensive player left on here. You might argue Stamkos for that title - but I feel as though Marner is already slightly better and on the rise. I'd have them as next 2, with Point to follow

Marner is a more proven offensive player than Stamkos. Wild.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Point PPG: 0.98
Marner PPG: 1.14

Marner is great defensively, and at PKing too. Point has the upper hand, and have being a C rather a W, but its not absurd to do with Marner here.

I don't dislike Marner at all I just think Point and maybe Couturier are better today. Depends on how much you value defensive play

 

[VainGretzky]

Marner will be a fixture in the top of the scoring race year in year out , and only has scratched the surface as a player

 

[Dekes For Days]

How is Marner winning over Point when they are the same age and have similar offensive production

Because they're not the same age, and they don't have similar offensive production, despite Point being in better situations to produce. Marner should already be on the list, a while ago.

 

[Howe Elbows 9]

Couturier, Marner, Point, Scheifele and Stamkos are the next 5 players for me (not necessarily in that order).

 

[LeafsNation75]

More Leaf fans on here than TBay fans would be my explanation.

If that was true and using your logic why didn't we see Matthews, Marner, and Tavares get voted 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?

Don't you think that the Leafs have more fans on here excuse has been said enough when one of their players defeats another player in a poll?

 

[Tutu to]

Where is Huberdeau?

 

[Didalee Hed]

Where Nylander at?