Top 25 Players in the NHL right now: #8 (added Ovi)

[Makaveli]

I made a huge mistake and left Ovechkin out of the poll, so it is only fair I re-do the poll.


I will be doing a poll for the top 25 players in the NHL. Vote for which player you think is the best right now, polls will close after 1 day. Also please mention players who should be added to the poll next. I'm sure I missed a few.



Hedman wins poll 7 convincingly. Who do you have as the 8th best player in the NHL?

1. Connor McDavid
   
2. Leon Draisaitl
3. Nikita Kucherov
   
4. Nathan MacKinnon
5. Cale Makar
6. Auston Matthews
7. Victor Hedman

Players to add:
Mika Zibanejad
John Carlson
Quinn Hughes
Jaccob Slavin
Devon Toews
Kyle Connor
Jake Guentzel
Timo Meier
Tomas Hertl
Elias Pettersson
William Nylander
Nikolaj Ehlers
JT Miller
Matthew Tkachuk
Kris Letang
Elias Lindholm
Alex Pietrangelo
Erik Karlsson
Morgan Rielly

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[Stamkos4life]

Good call making a new poll!

I want to vote for ovy here and I really don't want to vote for Marchand but if I value last season even a little, I have to go with the rat.

 

[Makaveli]

Good call making a new poll!

I want to vote for ovy here and I really don't want to vote for Marchand but if I value last season even a little, I have to go with the rat.

Ovi is having an amazing city and is obviously in the running to be voted in. I believe it was the right call.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

OV/Marchand the next 2.

 

[RapidKnight]

@AvsFan29
Care if I use previous seasons to counter your Rantanen claim. (previous thread)

 

[AvsFan29]

@AvsFan29
Care if I use previous seasons to counter your Rantanen claim. (previous thread)

Go ahead. Rantanen may not be 8th, but he's definitely a top 10 player in this league. His regular season and playoff numbers back it up. One of the best playoff performers since he entered the league.

 

[Bread4Life]

Artemi Panarin

 

[RapidKnight]

Go ahead. Rantanen may not be 8th, but he's definitely a top 10 player in this league. His regular season and playoff numbers back it up. One of the best playoff performers since he entered the league.

I won’t use Rantanen’s injury prone year. Here are two year stats for even strength point per 60 minutes.
Rantanen 2.79
Barkov 2.60
Huberdeau 3.00
Kaprizov 3.11
Marchand 3.10
Ovechkin 2.63
Panarin 2.69
Stone 3.17
I don’t see an argument for Rantanen being better at even strength than [many] of those players, especially considering who he plays with. The other players lead their line in this statistic (except Barkov shockingly). And defensively he’s certainly behind Barkov, Stone, and Marchand. Among forwards I would take Stone, Marchand, and Kaprizov over him without hesitation, based on these stats. To be honest he has a solid argument I’ll give you that. PPG can be a little misleading. [edit]

 

[Snippit]

I won’t use Rantanen’s injury prone year. Here are two year stats for even strength point per 60 minutes.
Rantanen 2.79
Barkov 2.60
Huberdeau 3.00
Kaprizov 3.11
Marchand 3.10
Ovechkin 2.63
Panarin 2.69
Stone 3.17
I don’t see an argument for Rantanen being better at even strength than [many] of those players, especially considering who he plays with. The other players lead their line in this statistic (except Barkov shockingly). And defensively he’s certainly behind Barkov, Stone, and Marchand. Among forwards I would take Stone, Marchand, and Kaprizov over him without hesitation, based on these stats. To be honest he has a solid argument I’ll give you that. PPG can be a little misleading. [edit]

Is this Dekes for Days new account?

 

[RapidKnight]

Is this Dekes for Days new account?

Is that stat a problem? It eliminates a lot of confounding variables. It’s a shame more people don’t use it.

 

[authentic]

It's crazy to think that Brad Marchand is actually better than Crosby and Ovechkin now, but he is. Especially with the season Ovechkin is having lol

 

[wetcoast]

It's crazy to think that Brad Marchand is actually better than Crosby and Ovechkin now, but he is. Especially with the season Ovechkin is having lol

Marchand has been extremely good for quite some time now.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Ovi's gotta go next, fittingly at #8.

 

[Makaveli]

Ovi is in lead, Crosby and Marchand not too far behind.

 

[authentic]

Marchand has been extremely good for quite some time now.

Just still surprises me somehow. Just 2 seasons ago I would’ve taken Crosby though.

 

[keglu]

I won’t use Rantanen’s injury prone year. Here are two year stats for even strength point per 60 minutes.
Rantanen 2.79
Barkov 2.60
Huberdeau 3.00
Kaprizov 3.11
Marchand 3.10
Ovechkin 2.63
Panarin 2.69
Stone 3.17
I don’t see an argument for Rantanen being better at even strength than [many] of those players, especially considering who he plays with. The other players lead their line in this statistic (except Barkov shockingly). And defensively he’s certainly behind Barkov, Stone, and Marchand. Among forwards I would take Stone, Marchand, and Kaprizov over him without hesitation, based on these stats. To be honest he has a solid argument I’ll give you that. PPG can be a little misleading. [edit]

Last season+ this season Auston Matthews is at 2.67 (5v5). Weren't you pushing him for Top 2 player in the league in this poll?

 

[OneSniffTwoSniff]

How on earth is Draisaitl better than Kucherov and MacKinnon?

 

[Krewe]

Ovi is having a great year, but there are still players I would clearly pick over him if my goal is to win a cup

 

[bobholly39]

How on earth is Draisaitl better than Kucherov and MacKinnon?

Last 3 seasons:

Draisaitl 162 games, 100 goals, 248 points. Pace of 126 points per 82 games
MacKinnon 143 games, 64 goals, 198 points. Pace of 114 points per 82 games
Kucherov 77 games, 38 goals, 100 points. Pace of 106 points per 82 games

Two years ago - Draisaitl outscored Mack by 17 points and Kucherov by 25 points. He also outscored them by 8 and 10 goals respectively.
Last year - Draisaitl outscored MacKinnon by 19 points and 11 goals. Kucherov didn't play.
This year - Draisaitl it outscored Mack by 14 points and 17 goals. Kucherov only 9 games so far.

So he's been better then both of them by quite a bit the past 3 years combined - including each year on its own - in both goals and overall offense. I know Kuch has been great in playoffs and Mack does well too - but not enough to make up this significant gap in regular season.

 

[Anthony5967]

How on earth is Draisaitl better than Kucherov and MacKinnon?

Because he is lol. I don't get how Draisaitl still doesn't get the same recognition as McDavid by now. Do people actually turn an Oilers game on? The guy, along with 97 carries the entire team's offense nightly. Colorado has 65 guys they can rely on to score and Kucherov is not better than Draisaitl. Come on.

 

[RapidKnight]

Last season+ this season Auston Matthews is at 2.67 (5v5). Weren't you pushing him for Top 2 player in the league in this poll?

Yes, he also has a 1.77 ESG/60 the last two seasons well ahead of everyone else, and add in the elite defense. On top of that he’s one of the most disciplined players in the NHL, his opponents get fewer powerplay opportunities to work with.

 

[keglu]

Yes, he also has a 1.77 ESG/60 the last two seasons well ahead of everyone else, and add in the elite defense. On top of that he’s one of the most disciplined players in the NHL, his opponents get fewer powerplay opportunities to work with.

It's jut wierd that to prove your point you used stat that puts Matthews in 16th place in NHL while you are arguing he is second best.
And for ESG/60 ,Rantanten is first among players you listed in that time period.

But overall i agree his is not Top10 player, Marchand is best candidate for next spot.


Also Jakub Vrana disagrees with 'well ahead' and this season Top 3 in that category :Guentzel, Bennett Hartman suggest to maybe not take this stat too seriously.

 

[RapidKnight]

It's jut wierd that to prove your point you used stat that puts Matthews in 16th place in NHL while you are arguing he is second best.
And for ESG/60 ,Rantanten is first among players you listed in that time period.

But overall i agree his is not Top10 player, Marchand is best candidate for next spot.


Also Jakub Vrana disagrees with 'well ahead' and this season Top 3 in that category :Guentzel, Bennett Hartman suggest to maybe not take this stat too seriously.

Good catch on Vrana. He’s very underrated though. He’s essentially an even strength goal scoring specialist who doesn’t defend and isn’t good on the power play and also receives a small amount of TOI. I suggest going back further to get more accurate stats. This is a very raw stat, but it’s extremely useful. It has far less confounding variables then PPG, I’ll stick with it. TOI should be an asset. I’m willing to defend Matthews if you’re open to my argument.

Vrana hasn’t played this season. And Matthews is still ahead.

 

[keglu]

Good catch on Vrana. He’s very underrated though. He’s essentially an even strength goal scoring specialist who doesn’t defend and isn’t good on the power play and also receives a small amount of TOI. I suggest going back further to get more accurate stats. This is a very raw stat, but it’s extremely useful. It has far less confounding variables then PPG, I’ll stick with it. TOI should be an asset. I’m willing to defend Matthews if you’re open to my argument.

Vrana hasn’t played this season. And Matthews is still ahead.

From my experience /60 stats tend to change heavily season to season in comparison to PPG.
For example Mackinnon is very consistent point producer in last few season around 1.2-1.3 PPG every season
At the same time his 5v5 /60 production was between 2.07 to 3.00 per season . So that is almost 50% diff in /60 comparing to max 10% in PPG
So it seems very volatile stat. Probably need at least few seasons of data to make any conclusions based on it.

 

[The Red Line]

Ovechkin is literally leading the entire league in scoring, over every single player on the list, whether voted above him or not.