RaySheppard
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Top 20 all time Dmen in +/- per game
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In the era I watched, Robinson was the best, IMO.
I didn't catch Orr until the very end don't really remember much.
I didn't catch Orr until the very end don't really remember much.
RaySheppard
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OK, I named a Selke winner and another Selke contender from the '70's as a dman. My bad. Feel free to edit the list.
Do you even have Mark Howe in your poll?
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some players are missing from the list.
serge savard, joe watson, dallas smith, randy gregg, jacques laperriere, jim schoenfeld, keith magnuson, bill white, pat stapleton, ken morrow, brian engblom, al sims, tom bladon, brian rafalski
all of those have higher marks than chelios.
players from '70s completely dominate the list. '70s had the least parity since WW2, and biggest difference between highest and lowest +/-.
reggie leach with california in '73 and '74: -102
reggie leach with flyers in '74 and '75: +126
several great teams (habs, flyers, boston, buffalo) and many bad/terrible teams (colorado/kansas city, vancouver, washington, DRW, california, STL, minnesota, etc)
WHA diluted the NHL, and there were few europeans and americans.
overpass, a poster who does lots of statistical and historical work here, posted a list of "adjusted +/-," which adjusts a player's +/- by comparing it to his teammates' +/-.
it tends to hurt players with great teammates with high +/- (e.g. guy lapointe), players on great teams (e.g. serge savard), and help players with good +/- on weaker teams (e.g. selanne, palffy).
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=591548
serge savard, joe watson, dallas smith, randy gregg, jacques laperriere, jim schoenfeld, keith magnuson, bill white, pat stapleton, ken morrow, brian engblom, al sims, tom bladon, brian rafalski
all of those have higher marks than chelios.
players from '70s completely dominate the list. '70s had the least parity since WW2, and biggest difference between highest and lowest +/-.
reggie leach with california in '73 and '74: -102
reggie leach with flyers in '74 and '75: +126
several great teams (habs, flyers, boston, buffalo) and many bad/terrible teams (colorado/kansas city, vancouver, washington, DRW, california, STL, minnesota, etc)
WHA diluted the NHL, and there were few europeans and americans.
so was craig ramsay. mike ramsey's +/- was not high enough to make the list.
overpass, a poster who does lots of statistical and historical work here, posted a list of "adjusted +/-," which adjusts a player's +/- by comparing it to his teammates' +/-.
it tends to hurt players with great teammates with high +/- (e.g. guy lapointe), players on great teams (e.g. serge savard), and help players with good +/- on weaker teams (e.g. selanne, palffy).
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=591548
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RaySheppard
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some players are missing from the list.
serge savard, joe watson, dallas smith, randy gregg, jacques laperriere, jim schoenfeld, keith magnuson, bill white, pat stapleton, ken morrow, brian engblom, al sims, tom bladon, brian rafalski
all of those have higher marks than chelios.
players from '70s completely dominate the list. '70s had the least parity since WW2, and biggest difference between highest and lowest +/-.
reggie leach with california in '73 and '74: -102
reggie leach with flyers in '74 and '75: +126
several great teams (habs, flyers, boston, buffalo) and many bad/terrible teams (colorado/kansas city, vancouver, washington, DRW, california, STL, minnesota, etc)
WHA diluted the NHL, and there were few europeans and americans.
so was craig ramsay. mike ramsey's +/- was not high enough to make the list.
overpass, a poster who does lots of statistical and historical work here, posted a list of "adjusted +/-," which adjusts a player's +/- by comparing it to his teammates' +/-.
it tends to hurt players with great teammates with high +/- (e.g. guy lapointe), players on great teams (e.g. serge savard), and help players with good +/- on weaker teams (e.g. selanne, palffy).
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=591548
Again, Feel free to edit. I spent half an hour on that not a week.
Interesting post though, I didn't know anything about Dallas Smith until you threw his name out there. Never heard Cherry mention the guy....hmm....
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