Top 20 all time Dmen in +/- per game

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  1. RaySheppard

    RaySheppard Registered User

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    The other thread got me thinking so I crunched some numbers out of boredom.
    +/- per game with 400 games or more. Career plus/minus divided into games played.

    Orr .909
    Robinson .527
    Watson .481
    Potvin .434
    Howe .430
    Konstantinov .415
    Lemaire .409
    Hajt .376
    Dupont .374
    Lapointe .372
    McCrimmon .363
    Bourque .327
    Park .322
    Ramsay .306
    Lidstrom .289
    Langway .279
    MacInnis .263
    Stevens .240
    Huddy .237
    Chelios .212
     
  2. RedWingsNow*

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    In the era I watched, Robinson was the best, IMO.
    I didn't catch Orr until the very end don't really remember much.
     
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    Huh?
     
  4. RedWingsNow*

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    Yeah. lemaire's a forward.

    Big deal.
     
  5. RaySheppard

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    OK, I named a Selke winner and another Selke contender from the '70's as a dman. My bad. Feel free to edit the list.

    Do you even have Mark Howe in your poll?
     
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    some players are missing from the list.

    serge savard, joe watson, dallas smith, randy gregg, jacques laperriere, jim schoenfeld, keith magnuson, bill white, pat stapleton, ken morrow, brian engblom, al sims, tom bladon, brian rafalski

    all of those have higher marks than chelios.




    players from '70s completely dominate the list. '70s had the least parity since WW2, and biggest difference between highest and lowest +/-.

    reggie leach with california in '73 and '74: -102
    reggie leach with flyers in '74 and '75: +126

    :laugh:


    several great teams (habs, flyers, boston, buffalo) and many bad/terrible teams (colorado/kansas city, vancouver, washington, DRW, california, STL, minnesota, etc)

    WHA diluted the NHL, and there were few europeans and americans.

    so was craig ramsay. mike ramsey's +/- was not high enough to make the list.




    overpass, a poster who does lots of statistical and historical work here, posted a list of "adjusted +/-," which adjusts a player's +/- by comparing it to his teammates' +/-.

    it tends to hurt players with great teammates with high +/- (e.g. guy lapointe), players on great teams (e.g. serge savard), and help players with good +/- on weaker teams (e.g. selanne, palffy).

    http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=591548


     
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  7. RaySheppard

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    Again, Feel free to edit. I spent half an hour on that not a week.

    Interesting post though, I didn't know anything about Dallas Smith until you threw his name out there. Never heard Cherry mention the guy....hmm....
     
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    +/- is pretty much a team stat.
     
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    Orr is just a product of his linemates. :sarcasm:
     

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