I was at an antique store earlier today (they have a few shelves of assorted hockey memorabilia that I peruse about once a month) and found a $5 book from 1988 written by Stan Fischler that outlines who he thinks are the top 100 players of all time. There are definitely some interesting selections.
He outlines his admittedly subjective protocol for his list.
The Top 100: I've added their HoH aggregate ranking for comparison's sake.
1. Gordie Howe (3) +2
2. Wayne Gretzky (1) -1
3. Eddie Shore (7) +4
4. Red Kelly (18) +14
5. Frank Boucher (59) +55
6. Maurice Richard (6) E
7. Howie Morenz (10) +3
8. Jean Beliveau (8) E
9. Doug Harvey (9) E
10. Glenn Hall (21) +11
11. Syl Apps (38) +27
12. Denis Potvin (17) +5
13. Bobby Orr (2) -11
14. Bobby Hull (5) -9
15. Bryan Trottier (28) +13
16. Bill Cook (43) +27
17. Max Bentley (T-46) +29
18. Georges Vezina (112) +94
19. King Clancy (T-53) +34
20. Mario Lemieux (4) -16
21. Nels Stewart (66) +45
22. Mike Bossy (27) +5
23. Lester Patrick (T-224) +201
24. Marcel Pronovost (T-158) +134
25. Paul Coffey (T-46) +21
26. Toe Blake (79) +53
27. Bernie Geoffrion (39) +12
28. Henri Richard (57) +29
29. Dickie Moore (55) +26
30. Joe Primeau (140) +110
31. Frank Mahovlich (49) +18
32. Milt Schmidt (31) -1
33. Ted Kennedy (72) +39
34. Mark Messier (24) -10
35. Charlie Conacher (45) +10
36. Bobby Clarke (22) -14
37. Jacques Plante (12) -25
38. Aurel Joliat (T-69) +31
39. Marcel Dionne (48) +9
40. Terry Sawchuk (19) -21
41. Ted Lindsay (23) -18
42. Phil Esposito (20) -22
43. Doug Bentley (90) +47
44. Frank Frederickson (T-190) +146
45. Bill Durnan (44) -1
46. Brad Park (40) -6
47. Turk Broda (60) +13
48. Bryan Hextall (T-242) +194
49. Tim Horton (58) +9
50. Art Coulter (NR)
51. Guy Lafleur (15) -36
52. Bill Cowley (78) +26
53. Ching Johnson (T-176) +123
54. Sweeney Schriner (128) +74
55. Stan Mikita (14) -41
56. Bullet Joe Simpson (T-201) +145
57. Yvan Cournoyer (102) +45
58. Denis Savard (127) +69
59. Sid Abel (93) +34
60. Johnny Bower (75) +15
61. Ken Dryden (37) -24
62. Dit Clapper (T-53) -9
63. Bill Mosienko (207) +144
64. Hobey Baker (NR)
65. Black Jack Stewart (111) +46
66. Cooney Weiland (NR)
67. Dave Keon (86) +19
68. Babe Pratt (141) +73
69. Charlie Gardiner (T-97) +28
70. Syd Howe (NR)
71. Dick Irvin (T-227) +156
72. Dale Hawerchuk (123) +51
73. Frank Brimsek (79) +6
74. Duke Keats (T-230) +156
75. Billy Smith (91) +16
76. Peter Stastny (69) -7
77. Babe Dye (118) +41
78. Ray Bourque (11) -67
79. Red Dutton (NR)
80. Chuck Rayner (NR)
81. Bob Gainey (103) +23
82. Tom Johnson (T-172) +90
83. Bill Quackenbush (125) +42
84. Roy Worters (T-216) +132
85. Roger Crozier (NR)
86. Carl Brewer (NR)
87. Guy Lapointe (116) +29
88. Kevin Lowe (NR)
89. Grant Fuhr (105) +16
90. Mark Howe (113) +23
91. Rod Langway (110) +19
92. Gerry Cheevers (NR)
93. Hap Day (NR)
94. Andy Bathgate (61) -27
95. Alex Connell (200) -195
96. Allan Stanley (NR)
97. Gump Worsley (152) +55
98. Murray Murdoch (NR)
99. Alex Delvecchio (100) +1
100. Larry Robinson (28) -72
Fischler explains his extraordinarily low ranking of Bobby Orr:
Personally, I think he was just going for shock value.
On Frank Boucher:
Basically, the calculated ranking bounced Boucher so extraordinarily high based on the amount of Lady Byng trophies he won. I'm assuming Fischler awarded the same amount of points for each type of trophy.
On the high amount of old timers:
He prefaces his book by saying goals back in the olden days were hard to come by. I have to think he weighed goals back then a little too heavily in comparison to other eras. I know a trend on this forum is to weigh goals relative to total goals scored in their own era, to achieve more of a balance, which is probably a better way of assessing the statistic.
Of course, since the book was published in 1988, before the careers of guys like Lidstrom, Fedorov, Jagr, Hasek, et. al. had even started, and before careers of guys like Yzerman, Roy, Sakic, Chelios, and so forth had had a chance to manifest completely, there is bound to be a slew of older players to fill the gap.
Still, he has Guy Lafleur ranked behind guys who had second jobs as milkmen. The old-timer bias is a bit offputting.
On Mario Lemieux:
That has to be a testament to how dominant Lemieux was as a younger player. He had only a few seasons under his belt at the time of this book's publication and he's already ranked #20.
Dynasty by dynasty:
There are noticeable trends within dynasties.
70s Habs get shafted quite a bit - Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson are all way too low. But Cournoyer is way up the list for some reason.
80s Oilers are overrated. Messier does not deserve to be that high, considering the career he had accomplished to that point. Coffey is also too high. Kevin Lowe shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
On foreign players:
He doesn't specify anywhere that the list is NHL-based (the book is called The All New Hockey's 100), but it very clearly is.
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Basically, I did this list for myself, because I'm still learning most of hockey history, but anyone is free to post observations.
Also, if someone wants me to pull up some explanations from the book on why a certain player is ranked a certain way, just let me know.
He outlines his admittedly subjective protocol for his list.
They are based on my personal viewing as much as possible. I began watching hockey in 1939 and, therefore, have had a first-hand look at the majority of players evaluated.
As for the players who skated in earlier seasons, I relied as much as possible on the word of those who were there and, in other cases, on the printed word. This was not an era that was taken lightly, which meant that considerable research was involved in appraising the likes of Eddie Shore, Frank Boucher, and their ilk.
Adjustments had to be made to suit the era. Significantly fewer games were played before World War II than in the postwar period, and goals were more difficult to come by in the epoch of defensive hockey that preceded the introduction of the center red line in 1944. When I was a youth, anyone who scored twenty goals in a season was considered the equivalent of a .300 hitter in baseball. Nowadays, an NHL sharpshooter would have to pot at least forty goals to be included in that category.
Another sticky point was the inclusion of goaltenders alongside forwards and defensemen on the list. The temptation was to list goalies separately, but that would have been too easy to I arbitrarily decided to place one goalie in every group of ten where feasible, while maintaining a balance of scorers and defenders throughout the book.
The biggest problem in the end was creating a standard that would apply to all eras despite the fact that the styles of play varied tremendously. To do so, a strict set of standards was established. This included longevity, championship teams, awards, records, impact on the game, character, the quality of hockey played at the time, and the quality of the team on which the player performed.
The Top 100: I've added their HoH aggregate ranking for comparison's sake.
1. Gordie Howe (3) +2
2. Wayne Gretzky (1) -1
3. Eddie Shore (7) +4
4. Red Kelly (18) +14
5. Frank Boucher (59) +55
6. Maurice Richard (6) E
7. Howie Morenz (10) +3
8. Jean Beliveau (8) E
9. Doug Harvey (9) E
10. Glenn Hall (21) +11
11. Syl Apps (38) +27
12. Denis Potvin (17) +5
13. Bobby Orr (2) -11
14. Bobby Hull (5) -9
15. Bryan Trottier (28) +13
16. Bill Cook (43) +27
17. Max Bentley (T-46) +29
18. Georges Vezina (112) +94
19. King Clancy (T-53) +34
20. Mario Lemieux (4) -16
21. Nels Stewart (66) +45
22. Mike Bossy (27) +5
23. Lester Patrick (T-224) +201
24. Marcel Pronovost (T-158) +134
25. Paul Coffey (T-46) +21
26. Toe Blake (79) +53
27. Bernie Geoffrion (39) +12
28. Henri Richard (57) +29
29. Dickie Moore (55) +26
30. Joe Primeau (140) +110
31. Frank Mahovlich (49) +18
32. Milt Schmidt (31) -1
33. Ted Kennedy (72) +39
34. Mark Messier (24) -10
35. Charlie Conacher (45) +10
36. Bobby Clarke (22) -14
37. Jacques Plante (12) -25
38. Aurel Joliat (T-69) +31
39. Marcel Dionne (48) +9
40. Terry Sawchuk (19) -21
41. Ted Lindsay (23) -18
42. Phil Esposito (20) -22
43. Doug Bentley (90) +47
44. Frank Frederickson (T-190) +146
45. Bill Durnan (44) -1
46. Brad Park (40) -6
47. Turk Broda (60) +13
48. Bryan Hextall (T-242) +194
49. Tim Horton (58) +9
50. Art Coulter (NR)
51. Guy Lafleur (15) -36
52. Bill Cowley (78) +26
53. Ching Johnson (T-176) +123
54. Sweeney Schriner (128) +74
55. Stan Mikita (14) -41
56. Bullet Joe Simpson (T-201) +145
57. Yvan Cournoyer (102) +45
58. Denis Savard (127) +69
59. Sid Abel (93) +34
60. Johnny Bower (75) +15
61. Ken Dryden (37) -24
62. Dit Clapper (T-53) -9
63. Bill Mosienko (207) +144
64. Hobey Baker (NR)
65. Black Jack Stewart (111) +46
66. Cooney Weiland (NR)
67. Dave Keon (86) +19
68. Babe Pratt (141) +73
69. Charlie Gardiner (T-97) +28
70. Syd Howe (NR)
71. Dick Irvin (T-227) +156
72. Dale Hawerchuk (123) +51
73. Frank Brimsek (79) +6
74. Duke Keats (T-230) +156
75. Billy Smith (91) +16
76. Peter Stastny (69) -7
77. Babe Dye (118) +41
78. Ray Bourque (11) -67
79. Red Dutton (NR)
80. Chuck Rayner (NR)
81. Bob Gainey (103) +23
82. Tom Johnson (T-172) +90
83. Bill Quackenbush (125) +42
84. Roy Worters (T-216) +132
85. Roger Crozier (NR)
86. Carl Brewer (NR)
87. Guy Lapointe (116) +29
88. Kevin Lowe (NR)
89. Grant Fuhr (105) +16
90. Mark Howe (113) +23
91. Rod Langway (110) +19
92. Gerry Cheevers (NR)
93. Hap Day (NR)
94. Andy Bathgate (61) -27
95. Alex Connell (200) -195
96. Allan Stanley (NR)
97. Gump Worsley (152) +55
98. Murray Murdoch (NR)
99. Alex Delvecchio (100) +1
100. Larry Robinson (28) -72
Fischler explains his extraordinarily low ranking of Bobby Orr:
One reason for Bobby Orr's relatively low rating (for him) is the indisputable fact that he played during the NHL's first decade of expansion (1967-1977) when the game's quality was at an all-time low. By contrast, Doug Harvey, who in my estimation was a better defenseman than Orr, starred during the NHL's pre-expansion era when overall quality and competition were at their zenith.
Personally, I think he was just going for shock value.
On Frank Boucher:
Basically, the calculated ranking bounced Boucher so extraordinarily high based on the amount of Lady Byng trophies he won. I'm assuming Fischler awarded the same amount of points for each type of trophy.
On the high amount of old timers:
He prefaces his book by saying goals back in the olden days were hard to come by. I have to think he weighed goals back then a little too heavily in comparison to other eras. I know a trend on this forum is to weigh goals relative to total goals scored in their own era, to achieve more of a balance, which is probably a better way of assessing the statistic.
Of course, since the book was published in 1988, before the careers of guys like Lidstrom, Fedorov, Jagr, Hasek, et. al. had even started, and before careers of guys like Yzerman, Roy, Sakic, Chelios, and so forth had had a chance to manifest completely, there is bound to be a slew of older players to fill the gap.
Still, he has Guy Lafleur ranked behind guys who had second jobs as milkmen. The old-timer bias is a bit offputting.
On Mario Lemieux:
That has to be a testament to how dominant Lemieux was as a younger player. He had only a few seasons under his belt at the time of this book's publication and he's already ranked #20.
Dynasty by dynasty:
There are noticeable trends within dynasties.
70s Habs get shafted quite a bit - Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson are all way too low. But Cournoyer is way up the list for some reason.
80s Oilers are overrated. Messier does not deserve to be that high, considering the career he had accomplished to that point. Coffey is also too high. Kevin Lowe shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
On foreign players:
He doesn't specify anywhere that the list is NHL-based (the book is called The All New Hockey's 100), but it very clearly is.
--------------
Basically, I did this list for myself, because I'm still learning most of hockey history, but anyone is free to post observations.
Also, if someone wants me to pull up some explanations from the book on why a certain player is ranked a certain way, just let me know.