Top 10 in 2004 vs 2003 Comparison!!

[CFABoy]

What are everyone's opinions on the top end talent of the upcoming draft vs last years??

2004 HF Board Voting Results:

#1 - Alexander Ovechkin - 91.53%
#2 - Evgeny Malkin - 58.33%
#3 - Rostislav Olesz - 51.56%
#4 - Cam Barker - 78.05%
#5 - Rob Schremp - 34.00%
#6 - Wojtek Wolski - 42.11%
#7 - Lauri Tukonen - 42.86%
#8 - Marek Schwarz - 34.88%
#9 - Kyle Chipchura - 23.53%
#10 - Wes O'Neill - 27.91%

2003
#1 - Fleury
#2 - Staal
#3 - Horton
#4 - Zherdev
#5 - Vanek
#6 - Michalek
#7 - Suter
#8 - Coburn
#9 - Phaneuf
#10 - Kastitsyn

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[Gwyddbwyll]

Dang look at that depth... Phaneuf probably is outscoring Chipchura..

and my team's highest pick in 2003 was 77th... augh.

 

[ZombieMatt]

I liek the 2003 crop, but that's probably because I've had the opportunity to see all of them in action more frequently.

For a one on one match up (for teh 2003 places and the HF boards poll results) I like the 2003 group in all but : Barker/Zherdev, Wolski/Michalek, O'Neill/Kastitsyn.

7 - 3 for 2003 in my rundown, but that's just me.

 

[Fedz]

Heres My Rundown:

1. Ovechkin - Hes overrated yes, but Fleury is struggling big time.
2. Staal - Hes going to be a dominant player in the NHL for a long time.
3. Horton - Look at Staals profile.
4. Zherdev - Zherdev takes it in a cake walk over Barker.
5. Schremp - Two kids with apparent attitudes. Schremp has proven more already.
6. Michalek - Should have been taken before Vanek, great kid, lets hope his injuries aren't serious.
7. Suter - This kids a gem, plain and simple.
8. Coburn - I wasn't impressed with Schwarz in any tapes I've seen. I see him falling beyond 20th overall.
9. Phaneuf - No comparison, Phaneuf = #1 Prospect in all of NA at the moment in my books(outside of nhl)
10. O'Neill - Kostitsyn has tons of potential, but that severe bout of eliptice(SP?:S) is seriously hindering him. O' Neill can play pro hockey next year.

2003 - 7
2004 - 3

 

[Epsilon]

I like the 2004 top end guys better, but 2003 has way more depth. I take Ovechkin, Malkin, and Olesz over their 2003 counterparts, but then afterwards I would take all 7 remaining 2003 guys over the corresponding 2004s.

 

[Legionnaire]

I think a better comparison overall would be 01 or 02 vs 04. 03 had just amazing depth.

 

[Jacob]

Fleury is struggling big time

I disagree. Fleury's season has certainly been a roller coaster ride, but I think there's been just as much good as there has been bad. Nobody expected him to make the team out of camp and perform the way he did in the first month, even if he lost his confidence and struggled at the WJCs, he came back and played more like he did in October in his last two NHL starts, and appears to be doing okay back in the Q.

The point is moot, however, as Ovechkin appears to be the better prospect.

but that severe bout of eliptice(SP?:S) is seriously hindering him.

Disagree again. It may be disappointing that he isn't yet a regular in the RSL, but I don't think it has anything to do with his epilepsy. To the best of my knowledge, it's nothing more than a distant memory to the kid.

 

[Cayouche5]

My list :
1.Alexander Ovechkin
2.M-A Fleury
3.Eric Staal
4.Evgeny Malkin
5.Nathan Horton
6.Nikolai Zherdev
7.Rotislav Olesz
8.Dion Phaneuf
9.Robbie Schremp
10.Braydon Coburn
11.Cam Barker
12.Milan Michalek
13.Ryan Suter
14.Wojtech Wolski
15.Thomas Vanek
16.Marek Schwarz
17.Andrei Kastitsyn
18.Kyle Chipchura
19.Alexandre Picard
20.Mike Green

 

[Belarus Rocket]

My top 10 would look like that

1)Ovechkin
2)Fleury
3)Staal
4)Zherdev
5)Malkin
6)Schremp
7)Olesz
8)Phaneuf
9)Michalek
10)Coburn

 

[Rattrick]

My top 10 would look like that

1)Ovechkin
2)Fleury
3)Staal
4)Zherdev
5)Malkin
6)Schremp
7)Olesz
8)Phaneuf
9)Michalek
10)Coburn

Did you forget Horton on purpose? He certainly belongs in this list, and IMO, top 5.

 

[CRAZY_FAN]

My top 10 would look like that

1)Ovechkin
2)Fleury
3)Staal
4)Zherdev
5)Malkin
6)Schremp
7)Olesz
8)Phaneuf
9)Michalek
10)Coburn

Horton should be there for sure No 3 or 4....

 

[Belarus Rocket]

Did you forget Horton on purpose? He certainly belongs in this list, and IMO, top 5.

no I did not forget him,IMO I think he should be like 11 or 12 but not In the top 10

 

[CRAZY_FAN]

My list...

1.Ovechkin
2.Fleury
3.Staal
4.Horton
5.Malkin
6.Zherdev
7.Olesz
8.Phaneuf
9.Schremp
10.Suter

 

[X-SHARKIE]

Here's my top 10 if I combined 2003 & 2004.

1. Ovechkin
2. Fleury
3. Staal
4. Malkin
5. Horton
6. Zherdev
7. Phaneuf
8. Michalek
9. Suter
10. Olesz

 

[Jeffrey]

this is my list:
1. Ovechkin
2. Fleury
3. Staal
4. Zherdev
5. Malkin
6. Horton
7. Olesz
8. Michalek
9. Suter
10. Phaneuf

 

[#2]

#1 Ovechkin over Fleury
#2 Staal over Malkin
#3 Olesz over Horton
#4 Zherdev over Barker
#5 Schremp over Vanek
#6 Michlek over Wolski
#7 Suter over Tukonen
#8 Schwarz over Coburn
#9 Phaneuf over Chipchura
#10 Kastitsyn over O'Neil

2003 - 6
2004 - 4

 

[X-SHARKIE]

#1 Ovechkin over Fleury
#2 Staal over Malkin
#3 Olesz over Horton
#4 Zherdev over Barker
#5 Schremp over Vanek
#6 Michlek over Wolski
#7 Suter over Tukonen
#8 Schwarz over Coburn
#9 Phaneuf over Chipchura
#10 Kastitsyn over O'Neil

2003 - 6
2004 - 4

OHHHH.....Now I see how we are doing it.....Lol....heres mine.
1. Ovechkin over Fleury...Tough one, I see Fleury as a Martin Brodeur type of goalie but dang Ovechkin skill is just sick. He's mentaly ahead of all in his age group as well.
2. Staal over Malkin...almost a tie, but the Canadian gets the ice breaker.
3. Horton over Olesz. I like Olesz, he plays with alot of heart, but so does Horts and Nathan has more skill.
4. Zherdev over Barker...easiest one yet.
5. Hardest one yet possibly....I have to go with my gut, Schremp
6. Michalek over Wolski....easy
7. Suter over Tukonen
8. Schwarz over Couborn
9. Phaneuf over Chipchura
10. O'Neil over Andrei, I love O'neil.

 

[Hitman*]

no I did not forget him,IMO I think he should be like 11 or 12 but not In the top 10

I'd respect your opinion more if you didn't have Coburn and Michalek ahead of him

 

[stardog]

Heres My Rundown:

1. Ovechkin - Hes overrated yes, but Fleury is struggling big time.

How exactly is he struggling...let alone struggling "big time"?

 

[Alex Kovalev]

Heres My Rundown:

1. Ovechkin - Hes overrated yes, but Fleury is struggling big time.
2. Staal - Hes going to be a dominant player in the NHL for a long time.
3. Horton - Look at Staals profile.
4. Zherdev - Zherdev takes it in a cake walk over Barker.
5. Schremp - Two kids with apparent attitudes. Schremp has proven more already.
6. Michalek - Should have been taken before Vanek, great kid, lets hope his injuries aren't serious.
7. Suter - This kids a gem, plain and simple.
8. Coburn - I wasn't impressed with Schwarz in any tapes I've seen. I see him falling beyond 20th overall.
9. Phaneuf - No comparison, Phaneuf = #1 Prospect in all of NA at the moment in my books(outside of nhl)
10. O'Neill - Kostitsyn has tons of potential, but that severe bout of eliptice(SP?:S) is seriously hindering him. O' Neill can play pro hockey next year.

2003 - 7
2004 - 3

Fleury is a better prospect than Schremp, Coburn, Phaneuf and O'Neill.

 

[Grave77digger]

Fleury is a better prospect than Schremp, Coburn, Phaneuf and O'Neill.

Fleury is 6-0-1 on his Jr team.... i would hardly call that struggling

 

[Alex Kovalev]

OHHHH.....Now I see how we are doing it.....Lol....heres mine.
1. Ovechkin over Fleury...Tough one, I see Fleury as a Martin Brodeur type of goalie but dang Ovechkin skill is just sick. He's mentaly ahead of all in his age group as well.
2. Staal over Malkin...almost a tie, but the Canadian gets the ice breaker.
3. Horton over Olesz. I like Olesz, he plays with alot of heart, but so does Horts and Nathan has more skill.
4. Zherdev over Barker...easiest one yet.
5. Hardest one yet possibly....I have to go with my gut, Schremp
6. Michalek over Wolski....easy
7. Suter over Tukonen
8. Schwarz over Couborn
9. Phaneuf over Chipchura
10. O'Neil over Andrei, I love O'neil.

1. I would probably take Ovechkin over Fleury.
2. If Malkin did not have his concussion I would say Malkin, but its still very close.
3. I would definitely take Olesz, I dont know how Horton has more skill? Olesz could dangle like no tomorrow.
4. Zherdev over Barker, I would agree.
5. Schremp and Vanek are really close. I would still pick Vanek.
6. Wolski and Michalek are close. I like Wolski's offensive skills compared to Michalek.
7. Suter over Tukonen for sure.
8. Schwartz v.s Coburn is also close. Its hard to pick, but I would say Schwartz.
9. Phaneuf for sure over Chipchura.
10. Kastsitsyn over O'Neill.

 

[X-SHARKIE]

1. I would probably take Ovechkin over Fleury.
2. If Malkin did not have his concussion I would say Malkin, but its still very close.
3. I would definitely take Olesz, I dont know how Horton has more skill? Olesz could dangle like no tomorrow.
4. Zherdev over Barker, I would agree.
5. Schremp and Vanek are really close. I would still pick Vanek.
6. Wolski and Michalek are close. I like Wolski's offensive skills compared to Michalek.
7. Suter over Tukonen for sure.
8. Schwartz v.s Coburn is also close. Its hard to pick, but I would say Schwartz.
9. Phaneuf for sure over Chipchura.
10. Kastsitsyn over O'Neill.

Wolski over Michalek? lol... Michalek has more raw skill then Wolski, Also he is much much more mature then Wolski. Wojtec is soft!
I dont think you ever seen Wes O'Neil play. I like Andrei Kastisyn but O'Neil well simply just shut down people when he's in his prime and pitch in offensivly. Vanek and Schremp are close, but I give the nod to Schremp for his awareness and much better skating ability.

Now i'm not saying that Olesz does not have skill. He has tremendous skill, he works his ass of, he passes and shoots very well, and like you said, his stickhandling is mighty impressive. Horton has one of the harder shots, he is great on his skates, he stickhandles just as well as Olesz does, but he shoots harder, is smarter, and skates quite a bit better, both have great attitudes...very close, but Horton gets my nod.

 

[Alex Kovalev]

Wolski over Michalek? lol... Michalek has more raw skill then Wolski, Also he is much much more mature then Wolski. Wojtec is soft!

Man you have obviously got something against Wolski, you have mentioned this in your other posts, even in your own thread that you made with all the scouting reports. Wolski is an excellent offensive player. I honestly find it hard to believe that Michalek has better raw talent then Wolski. Wolski and Michalek are completely different players. Michalek is more of a two-way guy while Wolski is more of an offensive minded player with much better scoring capabilities.

I dont think you ever seen Wes O'Neil play. I like Andrei Kastisyn but O'Neil well simply just shut down people when he's in his prime and pitch in offensivly. Vanek and Schremp are close, but I give the nod to Schremp for his awareness and much better skating ability.

I will admit that I have not seen O'Neill play but from what I have heard of him he has limit offensive upside. Sounds a bit like a Brooks Orpik type prospect, maybe with more potential. Kastsitsyn, on the other hand, has the talent to be a dominating offensive force one day. If he can put it all together I think he could turn out to be a more valuable prospect than O'Neill.

Now i'm not saying that Olesz does not have skill. He has tremendous skill, he works his ass of, he passes and shoots very well, and like you said, his stickhandling is mighty impressive. Horton has one of the harder shots, he is great on his skates, he stickhandles just as well as Olesz does, but he shoots harder, is smarter, and skates quite a bit better, both have great attitudes...very close, but Horton gets my nod.

Are you sure you have watched Olesz play? I think you seriously underrate his talent. Dont get me wrong, Horton is a great player, and has what it takes to be the next "Todd Bertuzzi" type player in the NHL. But I think that Olesz is a great player also, and I dont think your giving the guy enough credit.

 

[Hockeycrazed07]

#1 Ovechkin over Fleury
#2 Staal over Malkin
#3 Olesz over Horton
#4 Zherdev over Barker
#5 Schremp over Vanek
#6 Michlek over Wolski
#7 Suter over Tukonen
#8 Schwarz over Coburn
#9 Phaneuf over Chipchura
#10 Kastitsyn over O'Neil

2003 - 6
2004 - 4

1. O.
2. Malkin.
3. Olesz.
4. Barker.
5. Schremp.
6. Michalek.
7. Tukonen (and I absolutely love Ryan Suter).
8. Coburn.
9. Phaneuf.
10. O'Neill (if he enters).

That's 7 for '04 and 3 for '03. If I were making a combined top-10, it'd be something like this:
1. Ovechkin.
2. Malkin.
3. Olesz.
4. Barker.
5. Tukonen.
6. Michalek.
7. Suter.
8. Fluery.
9. Horton.
10. Staal.

To heck with commonality!

~Crazed.