Tomáš Plekanec: Mr. Everything

[Playmaker09]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=723665&navid=nhl:topheads

Some well deserved recognition and it's his highest ever finish IIRC.

Just give him the C already.

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[Sterling Archer]

Chicago will like that when we trade him for Sharp

 

[feds91]

Chicago will like that when we trade him for Sharp

I really really really hope that happens!

 

[Et le But]

About time, he definitely didn't deserve to win it but it's ridiculous it took him this long to make the top 10.

 

[SakuSauce]

And Subban and Therrien finished like 14th or something around that

Remember when they were saying on l'Anti-Chambre that Therrien deserves to be in the 3 nominees? And Subban dropped pretty bad in the voting.

Pleky is underrated on this board and around the league. We better not trade him.

 

[BLNY]

I missed the days when it was actually given to defensive specialists. If Carbo played in this era, he wouldn't get a whiff.

 

[Camio]

And Subban and Therrien finished like 14th or something around that

Remember when they were saying on l'Anti-Chambre that Therrien deserves to be in the 3 nominees? And Subban dropped pretty bad in the voting.

Pleky is underrated on this board and around the league. We better not trade him.

Its laughable to think some on this board would be fine with dealing him and keeping DD.

 

[Lebowski]

Odd that he finally gets some recognition this late in his career... Sometimes I wonder if most voters don't tend to look around on HF at times to have some feedback on players... There's been a lot of Habs fans saying how underrated Plekanec was in that regard lately and coincidence, for once he is top 10 in Selke voting.

Considering Grant McCagg posts on our boards, that Bob Mckenzie used to have an account, and some retired NHLer even posted a bit at some point, I don't think it is that far-fetched...

Moral of the story, everyone should act as if Desharnais was an untouchable and a core piece to this team. His value would skyrocket among GMs in no time.

 

[Stjonnypopo]

Its laughable to think some on this board would be fine with dealing him and keeping DD.

It's laughable if you think one can replace the other. If they trade away Pleks for a top-forward and keep DD it wouldn't be the same thing.

I like DD when he's given a role in which he can succeed. Plekanec can succeed in many more roles, and he has. I don't want to see him traded away but I know that these things can happen in the NHL. In any case, Plekanec probably wouldn't be too upset to get traded to Chicago, he would kill it on that team and I bet he would be a big contributing factor towards that team's success if it happened.

 

[Camio]

Odd that he finally gets some recognition this late in his career... Sometimes I wonder if most voters don't tend to look around on HF at times to have some feedback on players... There's been a lot of Habs fans saying how underrated Plekanec was in that regard lately and coincidence, for once he is top 10 in Selke voting.

Considering Grant McCagg posts on our boards, that Bob Mckenzie used to have an account, and some retired NHLer even posted a bit at some point, I don't think it is that far-fetched...

Moral of the story, everyone should act as if Desharnais was an untouchable and a core piece to this team. His value would skyrocket among GMs in no time.

Would that work for his size too?

 

[Camio]

It's laughable if you think one can replace the other. If they trade away Pleks for a top-forward and keep DD it wouldn't be the same thing.

I like DD when he's given a role in which he can succeed. Plekanec can succeed in many more roles, and he has. I don't want to see him traded away but I know that these things can happen in the NHL. In any case, Plekanec probably wouldn't be too upset to get traded to Chicago, he would kill it on that team and I bet he would be a big contributing factor towards that team's success if it happened.

Just imagine a DD-Eller duo at center. There isnt a single UFA center who's as effective as Plekanec's on both sides of the ice.

Some even mentionned dealing Plekanec to make room for Chucky at center. Chucky would be a 1 dimensional center at this point. To make room for him, they should get rid of the 1 dimensional center currently in the top 3, not their best 2-way (and also pure center).

Of course, trading away Plekanec would net a bigger return than DD but, who cares? You're not winning the Cup with DD on your first 3 lines, as a center. You're also making yourself weaker by dealing your best center, who also happen to be your only true 2-way center. Eller, in about 2 years, could be Plekanec's replacement, but he isnt there yet.

If the Habs were in a rebuilding mode, dealing Plekanec would make sense. In the team current situation, it makes no sense. You dont deal your best center when you have Price entering his prime and PK & Pax entering it soon. Also, considering Markov was just resigned, trading Plekanec would make no sense at this point, unless its for an upgrade...

And that would cost alot.

 

[CaptainBenn]

Odd that he finally gets some recognition this late in his career... Sometimes I wonder if most voters don't tend to look around on HF at times to have some feedback on players... There's been a lot of Habs fans saying how underrated Plekanec was in that regard lately and coincidence, for once he is top 10 in Selke voting.

Considering Grant McCagg posts on our boards, that Bob Mckenzie used to have an account, and some retired NHLer even posted a bit at some point, I don't think it is that far-fetched...

Moral of the story, everyone should act as if Desharnais was an untouchable and a core piece to this team. His value would skyrocket among GMs in no time.

Then Bergy would name him captain

 

[Agnostic]

Plek finishes 7th in Selke volting
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Maybe we should demand a re-volt.

 

[19VJ17]

I think if the GM's and coaches voted on this award Plek would be closer to the top...the Professional Hockey Writers' voting sometimes turns in to popular belief more then fact!

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Have you guys seen Plekanec play in the playoff? How the hell is he underated??

And regarding Plekanec never being in the top 10 for Selke nomination, there is this thing called "Objectivity", fans has zero objectivity, look at other centers in the league.

Plekanec is very overated in Montreal

 

[bentheprop]

I missed the days when it was actually given to defensive specialists. If Carbo played in this era, he wouldn't get a whiff.

Man I miss Carbo's shot blocking. It was a thing of beauty.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Have you guys seen Plekanec play in the playoff? How the hell is he underated??

And regarding Plekanec never being in the top 10 for Selke nomination, there is this thing called "Objectivity", fans has zero objectivity, look at other centers in the league.

Plekanec is very overated in Montreal

This makes no sense.

We were a top team in the league and our first line wasn't playing Datysuk or Bergeron like minutes.

Plekanec held a lot of the defensive duties for our team. Whether or not you think he's amazing is really irrelevant.

There's multiple factors that go into getting the Selke. You can't just be good defensively to win. For example, we all know Bergeron is elite defensively right? If he plays exploitation minutes and no PK time next year should he win based on his ability to play PK? No...obviously not. So beyond the skill, the utilization plays a role as well. Now, Plekanec was heavily utilized in defensive situations, so that's a check. Another factor is in the utilization how does team perform? Again, Plekanec's team did fairly well.

Combine his defensive skill+utilization+team results. It's worth a top 10 finish usually.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I missed the days when it was actually given to defensive specialists. If Carbo played in this era, he wouldn't get a whiff.

To be fair, in these days Carbo wouldn't get those minutes either.

Do you honestly believe that say Carbo played for LA now. Would LA prefer Carbo or Kopitar on the ice? Likely Kopitar anyway.

PK situations? Sure. 5 on 5? I think they go with Kopitar or Bergeron or Toews or whoever.

These guys have lost respect for their roles but their roles have also changed. They aren't relied on as much.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

This makes no sense.

We were a top team in the league and our first line wasn't playing Datysuk or Bergeron like minutes.

Plekanec held a lot of the defensive duties for our team. Whether or not you think he's amazing is really irrelevant.

There's multiple factors that go into getting the Selke. You can't just be good defensively to win. For example, we all know Bergeron is elite defensively right? If he plays exploitation minutes and no PK time next year should he win based on his ability to play PK? No...obviously not. So beyond the skill, the utilization plays a role as well. Now, Plekanec was heavily utilized in defensive situations, so that's a check. Another factor is in the utilization how does team perform? Again, Plekanec's team did fairly well.

Combine his defensive skill+utilization+team results. It's worth a top 10 finish usually.

Plekanec is not a Selke nominee, he finished 7th, this is his highest career finish.

Please habs fan don't put Plekanec in the same category as Datsyuk, Bergeron and Toews, he's very very far from those players.

Not only that but his playoff performance is embarrassing.

 

[capebretoncanadien]

About time, he definitely didn't deserve to win it but it's ridiculous it took him this long to make the top 10.

 

[Lebowski]

Have you guys seen Plekanec play in the playoff? How the hell is he underated??

And regarding Plekanec never being in the top 10 for Selke nomination, there is this thing called "Objectivity", fans has zero objectivity, look at other centers in the league.

Plekanec is very overated in Montreal

Wait. So *objectively*, he was 7th in Selke voting this year, but in his prime, while he was comparable defensively but had much better numbers, he couldn't even crack the top 30? He wasn't in the top 50 last season while Prust and Nazem 'effin Kadri were.

Does that mean he was underrated back then? Or does that mean your whole point just went down the drain?

 

[OnlytheCH]

Meh, there are better defensive centers out there. He was unimpressive in the playoffs, and absolutely brutal when it mattered. He is not in the Selke Trophy league and never will be. Can we please trade him for help in other areas and upgrade his 3rd line center spot already!?

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

And yet people want him traded to make room for DD.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Wait. So *objectively*, he was 7th in Selke voting this year, but in his prime, while he was comparable defensively but had much better numbers, he couldn't even crack the top 30? He wasn't in the top 50 last season while Prust and Nazem 'effin Kadri were.

Does that mean he was underrated back then? Or does that mean your whole point just went down the drain?

my point was that Plekanec was overated in Montreal, I never said underated around the league. Habs fans put him in the same category as Toews, Datsyuk, Bergeron and Kopitar.

Second, and most important point, Plekanec will never be a top 2 center in a cup contender team.

 

[Montreal4Life*]

my point was that Plekanec was overated in Montreal, I never said underated around the league. Habs fans put him in the same category as Toews, Datsyuk, Bergeron and Kopitar.

Second, and most important point, Plekanec will never be a top 2 center in a cup contender team.

I think he will