Value of: TJ Brodie to the Leafs at the draft.

[Volica]

I would call him a poor mans gardiner

I'd call you wrong. But sure.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Hello Leaf fan who doesn’t watch any games after 9pm EST. Sportsnet actually did a cool article on trying to identify the top defensive defenseman in the league just before the all star break

Here’s a link to the full article: Trying to identify the best defensive defencemen in the NHL - Sportsnet.ca

I don’t necessarily agree with the methodology but Brodie is not suspect defensively. He’ll make the odd bonehead turnover but his defensive metrics are among the most elite in the league. Great defending the rush and great in d-zone coverage

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Fair. Bone-head plays is probably better wording.
My issue is he reminds me so much of Jake Gardiner that I'm not interested in giving up anything valuable for him.
Great skating, dazzling moves and backbreaking errors.

 

[justafan22]

There's no fit with Muzzin here.

 

[Drew311]

Don't be daft. I'm simply saying I remember how OCD Babcock was about his lefties and his righties, and there were instances where 2 RD or 2 LD should have had more ice time, or someone like Subban should have played more (or in the 2016, even be selected). He often didn't want to go with Subban because he is a rightie.

Subban was there basically as an extra defenseman. All of the defenseman who played regular minutes were better defensively than Subban. They had more than enough offensive players. Subban also took lots of penalties, so that was also likely a factor why he sat.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There's no fit with Muzzin here.

He can play top 4 therefore he's a fit in this case it's that simple

 

[justafan22]

He can play top 4 therefore he's a fit in this case it's that simple

not cap wise

 

[McYoungGuns]

If Marner gets 10 mill, then the Leafs will only have about 4.1 mill in cap space left for AJ, Kap and 1 more Dman to fill a 21 man roster, Dubas would have to convince Marleau to either retire or wave his NMC for a Brodie trade to happen.

he can try and then when he does retire he will realize that his cap still counts as he signed a over 35 contract

 

[Deen]

I would want Kapanen and at least a 2nd rounder for him.

 

[crackdown44]

Fair. Bone-head plays is probably better wording.
My issue is he reminds me so much of Jake Gardiner that I'm not interested in giving up anything valuable for him.
Great skating, dazzling moves and backbreaking errors.

Yes Leafs should definitely target an RHS RD I agree 100%. I just wanted to specify that Brodie, while being prone to turnovers, is very good defensively

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

not cap wise

If you can get a quality player you make it work

 

[MonyontheMoney]

I honestly believe brodie can play left too, hes a creative player who plays fast and move the puck fast. Which was everything gulutzan didnt want you to do, rather you play with no creativity and just trap your way home. Theres a reason we went from one of highest scoring D to the lowest when GG was here.

I definitely think it was more of a Gulutzan system than playing on the left

 

[qwerty]

Brodie definitely plays a lot better on his right side. He still has the occasional braincramp, but his edgework seems to be considerably better skating towards his right. His backhand for whatever reason seems to be more surehanded than his forehand as well.

As for the acquisition cost. Would the Leafs part with Andreas Johnsson?

 

[FameFlame069]

What about Brodie for Kadri? Who would add? Brodie for Kap + 2nd + 2nd/4th on resigning? 4th if he doesn't.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Brodie would be a great add for the Leafs. Fits their up-tempo game and is actually very solid defensively apart from the occasional mishap. Has one of the best defensive sticks in the game like prime Keith did. He has been a great #2 for the majority of his years in Calgary(Gulutzan really did a number on a lot of guys). Him and Rielly or Muzzin would make a formidable pairing. Of that rare quality of D that can lead the rush and then be first back, very strong skater. Most Pacific opponents don't even both forechecking him anymore. His weaknesses are that he's soft and poor at clearing the front of the net.

At the draft I'd want Kapanen and a mid round pick. If not that then Bracco and something else semi-valuable. Kadri for Brodie would be interesting, probably have similar value apart from Kadri being signed for longer.

 

[Potty John]

Would love Kap for Brodie.

I’d want Andreas Johnsson, Kapanen and a 3rd or 4th for Brodie.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Would love Kap for Brodie.

I’d want Andreas Johnsson, Kapanen and a 3rd or 4th for Brodie.

Brodie will have 1 year left on his contract before becoming a ufa. Think more of a rental price not 2 young cost controlled top 9 forwards lol

 

[Funk21]

Hello Leaf fan who doesn’t watch any games after 9pm EST. Sportsnet actually did a cool article on trying to identify the top defensive defenseman in the league just before the all star break

Here’s a link to the full article: Trying to identify the best defensive defencemen in the NHL - Sportsnet.ca

I don’t necessarily agree with the methodology but Brodie is not suspect defensively. He’ll make the odd bonehead turnover but his defensive metrics are among the most elite in the league. Great defending the rush and great in d-zone coverage

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It’s not that he is bad defensively it’s we need RHD and we can’t afford him.

Plus if we are going to trade young assets I would do it for a young RHD, not that teams are usually willing to part with that unless it’s a severe overpayment.

 

[Funk21]

Brodie will have 1 year left on his contract before becoming a ufa. Think more of a rental price not 2 young cost controlled top 9 forwards lol

Why don’t we also give you Rielly, Matthews and Marner

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Brodie and Gardiner are cut from the same cloth.

No, they're not. Brodie is a shot suppression monster who struggles to with shot generation but has a killer offensive game otherwise. He has the 12th best shot suppression in the NHL the last three years, and that's despite playing on a different pair from Giordano for two of those years, with pretty awful partners. If Brodie shot more wristers he'd probably be considered a Norris

Gardiner is a shot generation monster but his shot suppression is nothing short of poor. He's an second pair offensive defenseman.

Brodie is more similar to Morgan Rielly than Jake Gardiner. A top pair shutdown defenseman. Flames fans just hate on him because his on-ice SV% and SH% in 2017 -18 from 2016-18 were nothing short of profoundly unlucky*, which they confused with poor play and being unable to function without Giordano (all myths). In many ways Brodie's ability to break up a cycle and get the puck up the ice so efficiently is more responsible for Calgary's success than some of our other defensive defenseman i.e. Hamonic.

*luck wasn't entirely responsible mind you. His partner Wideman was terrible, and his partner Hamonic took a long time to get his game back to the level that was expected of him. Brodie himself was also playing pretty poorly for a month or so in that sample. But month long slumps are common across the league. Gulutzan's restrictive systems ended were also a poor fit for most of the roster. He also had too many offensive zone starts under Gulutzan, which is counterintuitive given his defense-first skillset.

 

[crackdown44]

It’s not that he is bad defensively it’s we need RHD and we can’t afford him.

Plus if we are going to trade young assets I would do it for a young RHD, not that teams are usually willing to part with that unless it’s a severe overpayment.

The post I quoted and responded to with that post is one that said he was bad defensively

I agree the Leafs should pursue a right shot defenseman

 

[qwerty]

It’s not that he is bad defensively it’s we need RHD and we can’t afford him.

Plus if we are going to trade young assets I would do it for a young RHD, not that teams are usually willing to part with that unless it’s a severe overpayment.

Well Brodie is a right side top pairing defenseman. He’s played in that position all season long and he’s put up 33 points and is a +30 with barely any PP time.

If the Flames eat 50%, Brodie could have plenty of suitors. RHD top pairing defensemen are not available. It might be the most coveted position in the league because of availability. You basically draft these guys or give up an arm or a leg like Chiarelli did for just an Adam Larson. Personally I’d take just Andreas Johnnson + change just because I personally like his potential.

 

[Kamiccolo]

No, they're not. Brodie is a shot suppression monster who struggles to with shot generation but has a killer offensive game otherwise. He has the 12th best shot suppression in the NHL the last three years, and that's despite playing on a different pair from Giordano for two of those years, with pretty awful partners. If Brodie shot more wristers he'd probably be considered a Norris

Gardiner is a shot generation monster but his shot suppression is nothing short of poor. He's an second pair offensive defenseman.

Brodie is more similar to Morgan Rielly than Jake Gardiner. A top pair shutdown defenseman. Flames fans just hate on him because his on-ice SV% and SH% in 2017 -18 from 2016-18 were nothing short of profoundly unlucky*, which they confused with poor play and being unable to function without Giordano (all myths). In many ways Brodie's ability to break up a cycle and get the puck up the ice so efficiently is more responsible for Calgary's success than some of our other defensive defenseman i.e. Hamonic.

*luck wasn't entirely responsible mind you. His partner Wideman was terrible, and his partner Hamonic took a long time to get his game back to the level that was expected of him. Brodie himself was also playing pretty poorly for a month or so in that sample. But month long slumps are common across the league. Gulutzan's restrictive systems ended were also a poor fit for most of the roster. He also had too many offensive zone starts under Gulutzan, which is counterintuitive given his defense-first skillset.

Lmao what? Gardiner has outstanding shot suppression numbers. He's a hero chart darling. Sounds like someone gets their scouting report from HFboards.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Would love Kap for Brodie.

I’d want Andreas Johnsson, Kapanen and a 3rd or 4th for Brodie.

You'd want Both? because you'd never get both

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Brodie definitely plays a lot better on his right side. He still has the occasional braincramp, but his edgework seems to be considerably better skating towards his right. His backhand for whatever reason seems to be more surehanded than his forehand as well.

As for the acquisition cost. Would the Leafs part with Andreas Johnsson?

I would hate it, and I do mean HATE it but it's not unreasonable

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Lmao what? Gardiner has outstanding shot suppression numbers. He's a hero chart darling. Sounds like someone gets their scouting report from HFboards.

Of the 50 defensemen to have logged 3800+ minutes of 5v5 icetime from 2016-19,

Brodie ranks 6th with 51.84 CA/60
Gardiner ranks 34th, with 57.37 CA/60

Brodie ranks 31st with 56.56 CF/60
Gardiner ranks 12th with 60.70 CF/60

Like I said, Gardiner is a shot generation monster, Brodie is a shot suppression monster. Two very different players.