Time to fire Dubas and rebuild around Matthews.

[lipstickjunkie]

Dubas has done a great job. Your just upset he signed Nylander.

I don't know how many more of your posts I can get through without someone explaining the difference between your and you're (no offence).

 

[DALLER66]

They're riddled with injuries (and have been all season) are coming off the team flu, playing back to back nights, with travel, 3 games in 4 nights, the refs calling things only one side, and lucky bounces were not going in our favor. On top of all that, you're losing your mind calling this team terrible over things that happen to every single team (bad giveaways, defensive miscues etc). We still have a good chance to make the playoffs, after having a terrible start under Babcock, and a terrible record from our backup goalies pre-Campbell. I'm frustrated and walked away at 5-2 tonight, but the sky isn't falling.

Glass half full kinda guy

 

[On-the-Fly]

It's over. This team is not a contending team and never will be a contending team without a full rebuild through the draft.

I'm actually rooting for them to miss the playoffs, otherwise they will continue in mediocrity instead of rebuilding.

Someome phone this into the FAN and give this dude 590 seconds to phone in next friday.

Hot take coming at ya.

 

[wingman75]

Dubas isn't going anywhere... people who think he is are out to lunch. He'll be given lots of time to make adjustments... and they aren't all going to happen overnight.

We didn't really know the faults of this team until Babs was removed from the situation. Things are worse than expected, ok, so now he has to make the moves to make the corrections.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Everyone wants to win. That's why we watch hockey. It's more so people who are very reactionary vs those who understand the ups and downs of a young team.

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to suffer through Dubas. Call me sadistic

 

[SwaggySpungo]

Their win-loss record.

OK, let's see it then.

 

[SwaggySpungo]

Everyone wants to win. That's why we watch hockey. It's more so people who are very reactionary vs those who understand the ups and downs of a young team.

Ah yes, the ups and downs of not winning a playoff round in 16 years and not winning a Cup since 1967.

That's the real problem with Leafs fans. They just aren't patient enough.

 

[MattySnipes]

Yikes, this is a spicy one. Boys will probably sweep the Pens and all will be forgotten.

Let's take it easy. Tough to giveaway points to Buffalo no doubt, but it's one game. Boys have racetrack left. A practise or two coming up will do wonders.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Dubas isn't going anywhere... people who think he is are out to lunch. He'll be given lots of time to make adjustments... and they aren't all going to happen overnight.

We didn't really know the faults of this team until Babs was removed from the situation. Things are worse than expected, ok, so now he has to make the moves to make the corrections.

So Babcock was actually helping this team over achieve?

Lots of people knew this went further than the coach. They were drowned out and labelled trolls or so called fans.

But those guys and gals knew what so many didn't.

Anywho, we'll be shit until Dubas is removed so buckle yourselves in, this'll be a hoot.

 

[Gallagbi]

So Babcock was actually helping this team over achieve?

Lots of people knew this went further than the coach. They were drowned out and labelled trolls or so called fans.

But those guys and gals knew what so many didn't.

Anywho, we'll be **** until Dubas is removed so buckle yourselves in, this'll be a hoot.

There's this crazy world where Babcock was simply underperforming and needed to go, but that his firing wouldn't make us a perfect team

We look much better without Babs, but still have warts.

 

[NewEraGM]

They're riddled with injuries (and have been all season) are coming off the team flu, playing back to back nights, with travel, 3 games in 4 nights, the refs calling things only one side, and lucky bounces were not going in our favor. On top of all that, you're losing your mind calling this team terrible over things that happen to every single team (bad giveaways, defensive miscues etc). We still have a good chance to make the playoffs, after having a terrible start under Babcock, and a terrible record from our backup goalies pre-Campbell. I'm frustrated and walked away at 5-2 tonight, but the sky isn't falling.

You know what else happens to every other team?
- injuries
- 3 games in 4 nights
- flu
- bad reffing

Toronto isn’t even in top 5 teams for injuries whether you look at man games lost, average time on ice lost due to injury or even points lost due to injuries

 

[Todd03]

Dubass should never have been hired as the General Manager of this team.
Before he became the G.M this team was going in the right direction. Since the team
hired this bum its taking five steps back. But Babcock love or hate him he was right
about two things. Team need more grit and toughness. And a bigger defence.

 

[ULF_55]

missing rielly and ceci.

not sure dubas injured either.

 

[Ray Mercer]

Still find it crazy they hired a 20 something year old kid with zero life experience to run one of the largest professional sports organizations in the world.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Ah yes, the ups and downs of not winning a playoff round in 16 years and not winning a Cup since 1967.

That's the real problem with Leafs fans. They just aren't patient enough.

You do realize half the Leaf fans act as if the world is ending after every loss right? That's not patience.

Just because you're being forced to be 'patient', doesn't mean you are patient lol.

 

[mcleex]

The Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie trade is hands down the dumbest thing he's ever done and gets worse and worse day by day

 

[LeafingTheWay]

missing rielly and ceci.

not sure dubas injured either.

Don't forget Mikheyev!

 

[Drytoast]

Hopefully, this year finishes him. I'm terrified what he's gonna do at the deadline to save his ass.

Be more scared over the summer

 

[Dave92]

The only consistency in the Dubas era is the team performing consistently worse as time goes on.

 

[Lightsol]

There's this crazy world where Babcock was simply underperforming and needed to go, but that his firing wouldn't make us a perfect team

We look much better without Babs, but still have warts.

Nah, clearly the problem is the whole team. Let's dump Matthews to Arizona, Marner to whoever will take him, Tavares to whoever he'll waive for, and then we can tank and hope we can get a high pick. Wasn't 15 years of that so much more fun than this?

 

[Gallagbi]

Nah, clearly the problem is the whole team. Let's dump Matthews to Arizona, Marner to whoever will take him, Tavares to whoever he'll waive for, and then we can tank and hope we can get a high pick. Wasn't 15 years of that so much more fun than this?

Honestly, they both seem equally terrible right now. I never thought I'd hate a team this talented, but I do.

(No, I don't actually think rebuilding is an option or worthwhile fwiw)

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Still find it crazy they hired a 20 something year old kid with zero life experience to run one of the largest professional sports organizations in the world.

Yea those old men we had for the last 40 years sure proved to be successful.

 

[Menzinger]

They're riddled with injuries (and have been all season) are coming off the team flu, playing back to back nights, with travel, 3 games in 4 nights, the refs calling things only one side, and lucky bounces were not going in our favor. On top of all that, you're losing your mind calling this team terrible over things that happen to every single team (bad giveaways, defensive miscues etc). We still have a good chance to make the playoffs, after having a terrible start under Babcock, and a terrible record from our backup goalies pre-Campbell. I'm frustrated and walked away at 5-2 tonight, but the sky isn't falling.

This IS the rational take tonight.

I hate losing to the Sabers especially, but this fanbase has been on edge/high strung lately so every minor thing ends up looking like the end of the world

 

[ITM]

Ah yes, the ups and downs of not winning a playoff round in 16 years and not winning a Cup since 1967.

That's the real problem with Leafs fans. They just aren't patient enough.

It’s completely unnecessary to treat an affable response like it was an insult or as though it was a stretch.

Assuming most Leafs fans have a frame of reference longer than 16 years of informed frustration, there’s nothing wrong in pointing the fact that this is a young club learning to compete in the NHL.

Dubas improved the coaching, got the necessary back-up (at a price that was acceptable) and our record long term under the coach and short term under Campbell has demonstrated a trend in overall improvement.

But losing the second of a back-to-back brings this thread out as necessary? It’s not necessary. It’s opportunistic and it’s alarmist and it’s naive.

Naive in that carting out nihilistic generalizations could be taken seriously given our upward trends or that doing so demonstrates a greater love for the club than those who absorb these losses without occassioning panic and despair.

And as for building through the draft...Are you sure you’re in the right place? I swear...Lately, it’s like a clan of trolls have gotten together to incite anxiety under the appearance of common affiliation when the reasons for concern demonstrate ignorance of our recent past and present.

 

[Fogelhund]

Oh look, we lost a game, half of the fanbase loses it's crap, and massively over reacts. You can almost predict what this forum is going to look like these days. Imagine, that we are actually in a playoff spot, with a bunch of pretty young guys, and there are ups and downs? More than anything else, this team is not mentally strong yet. Maybe they never will be... but that's more on the players, than coaching, or GM, or anyone else. These guys are talented enough, but they aren't mentally strong yet.