Tihkhonov

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  1. McThome

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    So somebody give me the scoop on him.... Do ALL his players hate him? Do they not like playing for him but are willing to because they know he'll make them better? Is he like Russians Keenan? I know he's supposed to be a very extreme type - but he has won. If nobody likes playing for him why did he keep getting coaching jobs? So somebody who knows more about him please explain!
     
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    I think those from Russia/USSR can give a more detailed answer, but here goes. Tikhonov was a military man who figured that if you ran a hockey team like boot camp, you would win many games. Correct. He kept getting coaching jobs because his method worked; get the teenage boys from their families, make them sign up for officership in the Red Army, have complete control over their lives and careers; it would be very hard indeed to lose many games when your players were as some called them "ice robots." Everything from the amount of food they ate to who got apartments and who got to shop in the West on road trips was strictly controlled. Some players ratted out to Tikhonov on others, and this caused great animosity.

    I suggest reading "The Red Machine" by Lawrence Martin for a good insight.
     
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    ya, I kinda knew all that kinda stuff... more of the what the fans/players/management thought of him. I've seen a few docs on the whole thing - but never really much about him except from guys like larionov/Fetisov...... what about some of the younger guys anywhere from Federov/Bure/Mogilny's age to Zherdevs age...... I'd really like to hear what they have to say.
     
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    Mogilny had a great quote "Nobody likes him except his wife and dog, and even that I cannot understand how." That was from around 1993.

    A few years ago he softened up a bit by saying: "I now understand why he did what he had to do."
     
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    basically, the guy is a dictator. regardless of what the young guys might think of him...i dont think any of them would enjoy playing under a dictator...the years of kings and communist dictators have gone by long ago
     
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    I suggest reading "The Red Machine" by Lawrence Martin for a good insight.[/QUOTE]
    Is this a really good book about the Soviet program? How old is it? I'm hoping to find this somewhere. Thanks :help:
     
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    I know that some of the younger players respected him because he was glorified in the Soviet "media" to Russian hockey fans. I remember Yashin saying at one point that he would love to play for the great Tikhonov because of all his success and knowledge of hockey. I guess they'd probably be part of the same clique.....

    I had also heard that Tikhonov may have been a taskmasker but he went further than that because he could. For instance, he used to threaten players who played poorly with jail time in Siberia and he even went so far as to tell them that if they didn't perform on the ice their family members would be sent with them.
     
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    I remember when Fedorov made a little mistake and Tikhonov told him "son of a ... "
     
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    If you have a good library system, check if they have it. The big online places carry it.

    The younger players never had to play for Tikhonov as "soldiers" fighting for the sporting glory of Mother Russia. Yes, it does sound a bit corny these days, but make no mistake that's what it was.

    Fetisov and Mogilny were among players who had the highest respect from other players because they refused to worship Tikhonov. I'll have to dig through my clippings, but I vaguely recall Mogilny making a comment to the effect of jail in Siberia would be closer to home and he'd be able to see his family more.
     
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    Tikhonov never kept getting coaching jobs.

    He got the job with CSKA Moscow in the late 70's/early 80's and that was it. He stayed with the team until this year.

    The only reason why he got a job with team Russia now, is because there were no other coaches who were willing to do it.
     
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    Not sure if I'm thinking of the right book or not (someone who has it handy can hopefully check for me), but I think in the book Home Game by Ken Dryden, there is a chapter about "Soviet" players, and it discusses one player's fight against the system (I think it's Larionov) and it talks about Tikhonov quite a bit and has some of the better known anecdotes about him. Sorry, I know that's REALLY vague. :)

    Not about Tikhonov, but an interesting and easy read about the latter days of the Soviet hockey system is From Behind the Red Line: A North American Hockey Player in Russia.

    Thanks for the recommendation of The Red Machine, I've been looking for a good book about the old Soviet hockey system for a while.
     
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    All you need to know about Tikhonov and how he treated his players came after Lemieux's game winner in the '87 Canada Cup. Tikhonov chewed the crap out of the poor defenceman who was the lone guy back during the fatal two-on-one. It might have been Stelnov, I can't remember, but it was one of their younger inexperienced guys and he didn't play the two-on-one very well. Anyway, he goes back to the bench and Tikhonov just tears a strip off of him. Never mind the fact it was Tikhonov who screwed up by not putting out Fetisov in the final minute when Canada had Gretzky, Lemieux and Hawerchuk out there.
     
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    Yeah, but that was not all! I remember reading somewhere that he punched Mogilny in his throat after making a mistake!
     
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    After playing a crappy shift at the 1988 Olympics, Tikhonov punched Mogilny in the stomach. Even the assistant coaches were stunned.
     
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    You can check out my page for all necessary information about CCCP Hockey and Tikhonov. On the Links Page you will find some related books with their ISBN No.
    www.russianrocket.de
     
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    One book which is worth the read is Igor Larionov's autobiography (the English title is "Larionov" and apparently it's very hard to find). I think that the open letter Larionov wrote to Tihonov in 1988, published in the weekly magazine Ogonyok pretty much sums up "the scoop on Tihonov". I found an online copy of the book here. This is from the eigth chapter:

    Punching Mogilny to the stomach after a heated discussion during a game is also documented in the book, as are other terrible things he did and said. His teams won everything there is to win in international hockey, but the cost of all that...
     
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    Actually, I think it was Igor Kravchuk.
     
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    You're absolutely correct. I only said Stelnov because the player was No. 4 and I have an old program from the '87 cup that lists him as Stelnov, but I didn't think it was right. The Soviet's were always screwing around with numbers. Now that you mention Kravchuk, I remember hearing that somewhere else. Thanks.
     
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    Thanks for the link, I looked at your page a long time ago and enjoyed reading all of it. :)

    Just as a follow up to what I mentioned before, I double checked, and Chapter 5 of Home Game by Ken Dryden is indeed about the Summit Series and includes info about the history of the Red Army team as well as about Larionov and his letter which someone else mentioned here. Not the best history and it was published in 1989, but a very easy book to get ahold of.
     
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