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These Are My Terms. If You Don't Like Them...Well, I Have Others (CBA & Lockout) XIII

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DutchShamrock said:
If they offered a phased cap or a capped escrow, the players might view that as enough. The owners don't give up anything other than delayed increased earnings, and the players feel like they get full value on their inked contracts.

Last part of your post, and it sounds stupid: their own hotel room.
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Not if Biznasty is your room-mate and brings back a puck-bunny I guess. :P What's the number crunch on individual rooms for everyone?
 
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Deebo said:
They are on the brink of losing a portion of the season, not the whole thing.

Not yet, at least.
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Trust me. They know it's much more than a portion here. You have an NHL exec. saying either a deal gets done this week or theres no season. That statement is not far off the mark and players read these things.

The NHL will cancel games in much bigger chunks to give owners the relief of booking thier buildings. I could see them cancelling everything til December or so.
 
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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
NHLPA has 5 pm ET internal conference call with players' negotiating committee and executive board to update them on things
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Well this is good news. Hopefully they have that risk/reward analysis brought up and decide they can't get any better and get the deal done.
 
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Crows said:
@CellyHardAppare: @NoNHLLockout12 #NHLPA has a conference call this evening between representatives within their own group to update offer made last week #NHL

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Goodbye hope
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That doesn't sound bad to me at all.
 
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Yeah, I think if nothing happens, there's an immediate cancellation to Dec 1. You have to figure 2 weeks to hammer out a deal + 2 weeks to get everyone ready to play. And that date continues to roll as you go along.

Basically there's a deal in the next day or two or the players can kiss 1/3rd of their money goodbye.
 
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Crows said:
@CellyHardAppare: @NoNHLLockout12 #NHLPA has a conference call this evening between representatives within their own group to update offer made last week #NHL

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Why? Look at the bolded statement in the tweet
 

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Seeing all.these players continue to.sign.overseas doesn't seem to.bode any positive news
 
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Erik Estrada said:
Kevin Allen (USA Today):

"What needs to happen for the lockout to end?

1. Individual contracts have to be honored

Players are more unified on this issue than they were about preventing a salary cap in 2004-05. It has become a rallying cry, a symbol of solidarity, and owners have no one to blame but themselves. "

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1650627?preferredArticleViewMode=single
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They were so unified that there was a coup and 18% of the players ended up voting no cap. Meanwhile individual contracts are not being honored because they are not going to get paid for (x)% of their salary this year, and (x) could easily equal 100 if they play their cards right.
 

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Just end the season already. It's obvious the owners arent budging on the contract issue and the players want the contracts fulfilled. What's left to do but snip at each other point fingers and give the media more ******** to parade around like it's actual helpful information?

Tons of the players are saying **** it and taking off to go play overseas.
the only way anyone is going to move on this is a loss of a year revenue at this point.

Do I like it? no, but nothing i've seen makes me think otherwise. The call given later on today is probably telling the players to not blow their money in vegas suring the season
 
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guyincognito said:
They were so unified that there was a coup and 18% of the players ended up voting no cap. Meanwhile individual contracts are not being honored because they are not going to get paid for (x)% of their salary this year, and (x) could easily equal 100 if they play their cards right.
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And who says the players are more unified?

The players that are in control, who are mostly at the top who could care less about the majority of the players?

Rhetoric and spin.
 
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Grange who's been on top of all of this since it began wrote a good piece today.

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
#NHL CBA talks --This is now about something bigger: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2012/10/23/grange_cba_not_all_about_money/ … #NotGood

Also re: the email sent to owners/gms.
My take on it was players were curious why thier proposals were turned down so quickly. Several probably made phone calls and owners/gm's asked the league what they can and can not discuss. And the result was that memo.
 
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2012/10/23/grange_cba_not_all_about_money/

Grange's article doesn't make this sound good at all:

"The issue is not one single thing," says Ian Pulver, a former NHLPA lawyer-turned player agent. "The issues are greater than that. The NHL has had record revenues, but they want the players to take less. No one wants to lose money, but this is greater than one or two pay cheques.

"The union accepted a partnership with the league and were told they could trust the league; that's what happened in 2004. When was the last time the league talked about partnership?

"This is about respect and fairness," Pulver continued. "These were the very people that said the players could trust them and believe them and now they want to cut their pay cheques? Where is going to end?"

It's a great question. Optimists in the crowd, those foolish enough to believe that rational minds will prevail, thought the answer would come this week in a boardroom in New York City. With the presence of a deadline, bargaining would ensue and with each side standing to benefit there would be a real possibility that blades would hit ice by the weekend.

Instead there's been no meetings planned. The well is only getting further poisoned.

There are no answers in sight.
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Fine, make the pool $300 million, but regardless, the player's share has to come down. The entire operating income of the top 10 teams last year was only $248 million. Everyone else near or in the negative.

Unless we're going to move towards some sort of totally socialist system, the top 10 should be able to keep a good chunk of their money.
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You've moved pretty far away from the free market when you cap a team's payroll.
 
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Idiots. Take the damn offer. If a quarter of the season gets cancelled, you lose more money than what separates you now anyways. You have to be ****ing bonkers to walk away.

At least if you're a player. If you're an owner and you make nothing or less, you can wait years before it's financially advantageous to take the players offer.
 
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