Therrien - Into the Playoffs Edition!

[Lafleurs Guy]

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Also as per Andy's earlier warnings, please keep on topic. Focus your arguments on Therrien, not individual posters. No need for personal stuff.

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[bsl]

Continue here...

Also as per Andy's earlier warnings, please keep on topic. Focus your arguments on Therrien, not individual posters. No need for personal stuff.

I'm switching sides for this thread, gonna take you out LG, leave you in the dust.

I'll start.

The Habs do not have the talent people say they do. Therrien needs to play this conservative style to eke out the wins. The lack of talent is on MB, not MT.

Go with your strengths. Price is the best player, build around that. Allowing more shots does no harm, and allows for the stretch pass and quick transition.

Dump and chase is used by all teams, and in fact is the safe play in most cases. Again, this skews possession, but does no harm.

Even if the team does not like him, they must at least fear him, as they do play for him. The team is unified.

We don't know the whole story. Perhaps Chuckie felt too much pressure. In which case, DD needs to play C, this last year. We should give the team the benefit of the doubt. Give chuckie a bit more time to mature.

Eller once again is showing that he is a beast at end of season. MT must be pushing some buttons right with him.

His D deployment has been pretty good, and he has played the kids much more this year.

The woeful PP is as much on the players as it is on MT. And I still think it will come around, like it did last year against Boston.

I feel that my arguments are rock solid, and there is simply no way you can refute them. I will understand if you want to concede now, and will accept your congratulations with grace, and good will.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

title should be "backing into the playoffs edition"

 

[BLONG7]

OK..........Carey on...

 

[missthenet]

I'm switching sides for this thread, gonna take you out LG, leave you in the dust.

I'll start.

The Habs do not have the talent people say they do. Therrien needs to play this conservative style to eke out the wins. The lack of talent is on MB, not MT.

Go with your strengths. Price is the best player, build around that. Allowing more shots does no harm, and allows for the stretch pass and quick transition.

Dump and chase is used by all teams, and in fact is the safe play in most cases. Again, this skews possession, but does no harm.

Even if the team does not like him, they must at least fear him, as they do play for him. The team is unified.

We don't know the whole story. Perhaps Chuckie felt too much pressure. In which case, DD needs to play C, this last year. We should give the team the benefit of the doubt. Give chuckie a bit more time to mature.

Eller once again is showing that he is a beast at end of season. MT must be pushing some buttons right with him.

His D deployment has been pretty good, and he has played the kids much more this year.

The woeful PP is as much on the players as it is on MT. And I still think it will come around, like it did last year against Boston.

I feel that my arguments are rock solid, and there is simply no way you can refute them. I will understand if you want to concede now, and will accept your congratulations with grace, and good will.

Therrien had Crosby, Malkin, Ketang and Fleury and could not win a cup, was that on the GM as well? We have Price, Subban, two Gallys and Patches. Not quite Criosby and Malkin but not bad. The habs need to play to their strength which is speed. Like Tampa and the Rangers. Both teams hate to give up the puck and when they do they persue it. Look at the 5 games against Tampa, outshot, outplayed, out scored and out coached. My reason for saying this is simple, after losing four games to Tampa already we played the fufth the exact same way we lost the previous four. Wide open slots for Tampa, numerous odd man rushes for Tampa and we still had no answer to their game. MT is not an NHL stanley cup coach and as many others have said this year without Price winning 7-8 games on his own we are a wild card team.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm switching sides for this thread, gonna take you out LG, leave you in the dust.

I'll start.

The Habs do not have the talent people say they do. Therrien needs to play this conservative style to eke out the wins. The lack of talent is on MB, not MT.

Go with your strengths. Price is the best player, build around that. Allowing more shots does no harm, and allows for the stretch pass and quick transition.

Dump and chase is used by all teams, and in fact is the safe play in most cases. Again, this skews possession, but does no harm.

Even if the team does not like him, they must at least fear him, as they do play for him. The team is unified.

We don't know the whole story. Perhaps Chuckie felt too much pressure. In which case, DD needs to play C, this last year. We should give the team the benefit of the doubt. Give chuckie a bit more time to mature.

Eller once again is showing that he is a beast at end of season. MT must be pushing some buttons right with him.

His D deployment has been pretty good, and he has played the kids much more this year.

The woeful PP is as much on the players as it is on MT. And I still think it will come around, like it did last year against Boston.

I feel that my arguments are rock solid, and there is simply no way you can refute them. I will understand if you want to concede now, and will accept your congratulations with grace, and good will.

Like the true coward I am, I'll let somebody else do my fighting for me.

 

[Blind Gardien]

I feel like the clock is at least finally ticking on Therrien. Feels good... sort of. His ineptitude is at least universally acknowledged as a point of debate, anyway. The only drawback is that taking it to the inevitable conclusion is going to involve a painful outcome for us, sooner or later, in all likelihood.

 

[JLP]

I feel like the clock is at least finally ticking on Therrien. Feels good... sort of. His ineptitude is at least universally acknowledged as a point of debate, anyway. The only drawback is that taking it to the inevitable conclusion is going to involve a painful outcome for us, sooner or later, in all likelihood.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I'm switching sides for this thread, gonna take you out LG, leave you in the dust.

I'll start.

The Habs do not have the talent people say they do. Therrien needs to play this conservative style to eke out the wins. The lack of talent is on MB, not MT.

Go with your strengths. Price is the best player, build around that. Allowing more shots does no harm, and allows for the stretch pass and quick transition.

Dump and chase is used by all teams, and in fact is the safe play in most cases. Again, this skews possession, but does no harm.

Even if the team does not like him, they must at least fear him, as they do play for him. The team is unified.

We don't know the whole story. Perhaps Chuckie felt too much pressure. In which case, DD needs to play C, this last year. We should give the team the benefit of the doubt. Give chuckie a bit more time to mature.

Eller once again is showing that he is a beast at end of season. MT must be pushing some buttons right with him.

His D deployment has been pretty good, and he has played the kids much more this year.

The woeful PP is as much on the players as it is on MT. And I still think it will come around, like it did last year against Boston.

I feel that my arguments are rock solid, and there is simply no way you can refute them. I will understand if you want to concede now, and will accept your congratulations with grace, and good will.

In 2012-13 the Habs mustered 149 goals in just 48 games; an on pace average of 3 goals per game, which prorates to 255.

With only three games left, the 2015 Habs stand likely to score less than 220. Bear in mind this team boasts the same Norris winner from 2013, a vastly improved Pacioretty and essentially the same roster overall. The only real difference is a notably better Eller, but he also saw substantially better minutes.

So care to explain why a near identical team can score potentially fifty more goals, yet somehow forgot how to do that two years later?

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I feel like the clock is at least finally ticking on Therrien. Feels good... sort of. His ineptitude is at least universally acknowledged as a point of debate, anyway. The only drawback is that taking it to the inevitable conclusion is going to involve a painful outcome for us, sooner or later, in all likelihood.

Sad as it is, if I were given a definitive ultimatum where losing in a sweep or just getting outright embarrassed guaranteed him getting canned. It would be difficult not to sacrifice the season for the long-term success.

 

[NobleSix]

title should be "backing into the playoffs edition"

Looks like 2012-2013 all over again. We all know how awesome that was.

Wish the team would vote no confidence in this fool.

 

[Kriss E]

In 2012-13 the Habs mustered 149 goals in just 48 games; an on pace average of 3 goals per game, which prorates to 255.

With only three games left, the 2015 Habs stand likely to score less than 220. Bear in mind this team boasts the same Norris winner from 2013, a vastly improved Pacioretty and essentially the same roster overall. The only real difference is a notably better Eller, but he also saw substantially better minutes.

So care to explain why a near identical team can score potentially fifty more goals, yet somehow forgot how to do that two years later?

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[sheed36]

This link from near the end of the other thread needs to be brought over here so others can read it.

I Can't Like Therrien
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2015/04/i-cant-like-therrien.html

 

[habalifeok]

Lets see how the Habs react to comments about the power play woes. Therrien acknowledges it, Subban acknowledges it and says more traffic is needed in front of the net. To me its all on the players , they know that they have to find a way to make it happen by any means possible. The coaches can draw xs and os all day long but the players are the ones that can make it happen on the ice. They have been scoring goals from a very young age.Instincts should be kicking in.Go boys, Show us what you have in you.

 

[Nynja*]

Except you dont go against what your coach tells you. If you do that and you succeed, they MIGHT be nice to you. If you go against what they tell you to do, and you fail, oh boy you're ****ed.

Do you go against your boss's orders? Absolutely not.

 

[BLONG7]

This link from near the end of the other thread needs to be brought over here so others can read it.

I Can't Like Therrien
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2015/04/i-cant-like-therrien.html

A must read, for all.........

 

[Bill McNeal]

Never made the association before seeing this pic, but he bears a passing resemblance to Dr Evil.

 

[Team_Spirit]

This link from near the end of the other thread needs to be brought over here so others can read it.

I Can't Like Therrien
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2015/04/i-cant-like-therrien.html

What a gem, will MT dare to go with lil DD as the top C into the playoffs? stay tuned.

 

[groovejuice]

What a gem, will MT dare to go with lil DD as the top C into the playoffs? stay tuned.

It's like people who insist the Earth is flat. It runs contrary to known facts, unassailable evidence, common sense, and the proclamation of experts.

So, yes. DD will start with Pacioretty 5 on 5 and lead the PP going into the playoffs.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's like people who insist the Earth is flat. It runs contrary to known facts, unassailable evidence, common sense, and the proclamation of experts.

So, yes. DD will start with Pacioretty 5 on 5 and lead the PP going into the playoffs.

Geez, now we have to actually HOPE this is true. Who knows if Max will even be in the playoffs to begin with...

 

[Andrei79]

This link from near the end of the other thread needs to be brought over here so others can read it.

I Can't Like Therrien
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2015/04/i-cant-like-therrien.html

Some really good points, some really bad points. Looks like it was written by an average HF poster.

My two main beefs with Therrien are Desharnais and the PP. The rest is up to par with the rest of NHL coaches, or above.

 

[groovejuice]

Geez, now we have to actually HOPE this is true. Who knows if Max will even be in the playoffs to begin with...

Amen. My comment takes on an unexpected and spine chilling context.

Yay Davey and Max!???

 

[bsl]

In 2012-13 the Habs mustered 149 goals in just 48 games; an on pace average of 3 goals per game, which prorates to 255.

With only three games left, the 2015 Habs stand likely to score less than 220. Bear in mind this team boasts the same Norris winner from 2013, a vastly improved Pacioretty and essentially the same roster overall. The only real difference is a notably better Eller, but he also saw substantially better minutes.

So care to explain why a near identical team can score potentially fifty more goals, yet somehow forgot how to do that two years later?

Am I really prepared to keep going with this position? What the hell, I want to see if I can out do die hard DD supporters.

-larger sample of games
-statistical regression to mean
-and yes, deliberate change in philosophy. Not necessarily a bad one given Price's play and the results.

 

[bsl]

Like the true coward I am, I'll let somebody else do my fighting for me.

Too bad, you would have done well. I have made one reply in this devil's advocate guise so far, and I found even that to be horribly difficult. The words are not flowing, they just lie there, unshaven, hungover, in yesterday's boxer shorts.

 

[bsl]

Therrien had Crosby, Malkin, Ketang and Fleury and could not win a cup, was that on the GM as well? We have Price, Subban, two Gallys and Patches. Not quite Criosby and Malkin but not bad. The habs need to play to their strength which is speed. Like Tampa and the Rangers. Both teams hate to give up the puck and when they do they persue it. Look at the 5 games against Tampa, outshot, outplayed, out scored and out coached. My reason for saying this is simple, after losing four games to Tampa already we played the fufth the exact same way we lost the previous four. Wide open slots for Tampa, numerous odd man rushes for Tampa and we still had no answer to their game. MT is not an NHL stanley cup coach and as many others have said this year without Price winning 7-8 games on his own we are a wild card team.

Habs don't have near the offensive talent Tampa has IMO, and with a couple of exceptions Price has been average against them this year. Hence, they swept us. Not much MT could have done.