The Summer of 2013...
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bathroomSTAAL
The halcyon days
cygnus47
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IMO: trying to be reasonable
* Bylsma and Adams are unforgivable. Just no reason to re-sign these dudes.
* ONE of Dupuis and Kunitz would have been OK. There was a dearth of reasonably priced tweener-wingers that off-season. Signing both was short-sighted.
* Signing Scuderi would have been fine if it was for 2 years and Orpik was traded in the off-season. They filled the same "need".
* Bylsma and Adams are unforgivable. Just no reason to re-sign these dudes.
* ONE of Dupuis and Kunitz would have been OK. There was a dearth of reasonably priced tweener-wingers that off-season. Signing both was short-sighted.
* Signing Scuderi would have been fine if it was for 2 years and Orpik was traded in the off-season. They filled the same "need".
lastcupever75
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the kunitz signing is the only one I didnt say WTF.
combine them all, and we all see the product today.
should have got rid of Fluery as well and started from (relative) scratch
and as we all know with the county club atmosphere, I wouldn't place the only blame on shero
combine them all, and we all see the product today.
should have got rid of Fluery as well and started from (relative) scratch
and as we all know with the county club atmosphere, I wouldn't place the only blame on shero
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Waffle Fries
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Same.
I was very unhappy with the Dupuis' deal because I saw it as 4 more years of KCD.
I hated the Bylsma and Adams' deals for obvious reasons.
I loathed the Scuderi contract because we had such great organizational depth at defense and he didn't fill a need. I was mad because in my mind the move was pushing Despres down the depth chart. We see how that ended up.
canadianguy77
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I'm no fortune-teller, but I'm confident in saying that we've already seen the best of this generations Penguins team. It makes me very sad to imagine what could have been.
AquaticBirdman
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I could honestly understand the Kunitz signing more than Dupuis. At the time Kuni was still a legit top 6 winger that played a physical game and had solid chemistry with Sid. 3 years at 4 million wasn't TOO bad either within that context.
Dupuis however was 2 years too long, and about a million dollars more per season than he should've gotten. It was basically a gift from the organization for having a career (half) year, and for being such a loyal, dedicated soldier for the team.
I didn't agree with the Scuderi signing PERIOD, regardless of term. That was just a selfish move by Shero because he never forgave himself for letting him walk in 09.
Coastal Kev
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Go back to those signing threads, I hated each and every signing. I stated this at the time, " All Shero accomplished was shutting the door completely shut on any chance of the Pens winning a cup during the length of those contracts". No, that wasn't hindsight, that was what I saw a new reality for the team 2 years ago.
AquaticBirdman
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I think he just went into pure panic mode that Summer and basically knew that for the first time since he got hired as GM that his job was really on thin ice. He went "all in" that season to bring in Iginla, Morrow, and Murray, trading draft picks and one of our top prospects (Morrow) in the process, only for us to get completely cracked in Round 3, and for all 3 of the guys we acquired to walk as UFA's in the summer. He panicked like crazy, made some ridiculous signings, and now he is left unemployed, and this team is left a mess.
Sidney the Kidney
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I kind of feel the same way.
Bylsma and Adams remaining was indefensible. Keeping one of Kunitz or Dupuis is fine, but not both. It was painfully obvious you couldn't have both of those guys in the Pens' top six and expect to go deep. Scuderi on a shorter term and with moving a guy like Orpik in the process. But similar to the Dupuis/Kunitz thing, don't have both on the roster.
The icing on the cake is what billybudd mentioned. On top of those bad long-term contracts to old guys, his drafting/development of young scoring wingers was abysmal.
Speaking of which, did you know you can't spell Byslma without abysmal?
Dipsy Doodle
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I'd have been fine with all the signings if we were flexible enough to change their role according to performance, but we're clearly not. Dupuis' health issues compound the problem.
Nobody knew it would be this bad, or that it would have this lasting of an effect.
The Summer of 2013 will live in infamy for a long time among Pens fans.
Many of us knew Shero and Bylsma had turned this organization into a smoldering pile of rubble, but I don't think anyone really understood quite how long the stink of Shero/Bylsma hockey would linger. We knew this year was a throwaway, transition year, but it looks like we're looking at another year of trying to finish cleaning up next season. That is, unless this organization suddenly finds the brains to pinpoint what's wrong and what needs to be done, and finds the balls to actually go through with the tough decisions and hard work fixing it all entails.
The Summer of 2013 will live in infamy for a long time among Pens fans.
Many of us knew Shero and Bylsma had turned this organization into a smoldering pile of rubble, but I don't think anyone really understood quite how long the stink of Shero/Bylsma hockey would linger. We knew this year was a throwaway, transition year, but it looks like we're looking at another year of trying to finish cleaning up next season. That is, unless this organization suddenly finds the brains to pinpoint what's wrong and what needs to be done, and finds the balls to actually go through with the tough decisions and hard work fixing it all entails.
GFF
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Kristopher Letang
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Yep, let's start the Tank again and and hope for a better decade to our future stars.
It is clear this franchise is in a bubble of arrogance and self importance. That will come crashing down once the Sid/Geno decline kicks in. Bad drafting, bad contracts, bad management and lastly the total denial of the consequences of the above. Since I have zero confidence in this group, no reason to expect any improvement from here. Dumping Kunitz, Scuderi won't alter anything except two players we no longer dump on. As long as this franchise is reactive, no way in hell they win a cup. The lack of accountability even to the ice surface they players play on is astounding to me. No one of quality is coming into this mess. You're forced to hire a has been GM, and a coach who was his third choice. I think JR did what he could but the basic issues are not him.
Bingo. Shero's drafting is what ruined the Pens.
The inability to produce even a top 9 forward or top 4 defenseman (and I am not counting Maata whose been injured) compounded by trading draft picks for vets to fill holes by poor drafting has resulted in the Pens being an old, slow, team with no hunger or speed.
IcedCapp
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I read the Bylsma Adams song
I wish those two would form a cover band and tour the country.
BrunoPuntzJones
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this is very true, and the more people realize it, the more... depressed they will become.
misery loves company. join me my brethren.
Til the End of Time
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if shero's drafting was his undoing, how tragic is it that the same stupid scouting staff is still in place?
Penguinator
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Yeah, that was the icing on the Shero cake, which used to taste better than the Patrick cake until, it, too, rotted away.
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