You're forgetting Giroux and Couturier up for new deals too (specifically Giroux).
I think Flyers missed the boat on Bernier; don't know what was offered but obviously not Read cause LA would have taken that deal I believe. Bernier and Mason would have been be a good duplicate punch. And the Bryzgalov thing would have been finally settled.
I didn't forget, no. Mez/Timonen/Giroux/Read/Gervais/Bourdon off creates roughly 16.5 mill in cap space. Cap likely goes up some about a million or so. Thats roughly 18 million to resign 4 guys.
Giroux 7.5-8
Read 3-3.5
Schenn 3.5
Couts 2
Pretty easily doable. Not saying Read will definitely resign, but it certainly isn't an Umberger situation.
Hopefully we stay away. He's not worth what you probably have to give up. I think him & Luke Schenn had some type of issue with each other in Toronto too and then there's Hartnell lol.
I didn't forget, no. Mez/Timonen/Giroux/Read/Gervais/Bourdon off creates roughly 16.5 mill in cap space. Cap likely goes up some about a million or so. Thats roughly 18 million to resign 4 guys.
Giroux 7.5-8
Read 3-3.5
Schenn 3.5
Couts 2
Pretty easily doable. Not saying Read will definitely resign, but it certainly isn't an Umberger situation.
26 during the upcoming season with one season played is not young.Frattin's a pretty good young player.
26 during the upcoming season with one season played is not young.
hockeyfreak7 said:Read has a bigger reputation league wide simply because he was an undrafted UFA and the ensuing "sweepstakes" after he graduated. That does quite a bit for Read's hype machine. Frattin's been Leafs property since he was drafted.
For a college player, yes it is.
You are imagining things. No such sweepstakes occured like Justin Schultz, DeKeyser, etc. He was pretty under the radar and signed with not much buzz.
Just because he's a college player, doesn't make him younger. 26 is generally the end of your prime.
Not on the same level as Schultz or DeKeyser, but if I remember correctly, Read attended other teams' camps and fielded other offers. That enlarges his profile. Frattin has always been a Leaf, and because of that, nobody followed him outside of that fan base.
So Frattin's prime is coming to an end?
26 for a player who developed late and spent all four years in college is still young, yes. That means he developed slower and had much less professional experience by that age.
He still has room to grow as a player. 26 is generally the end of your prime for young phenoms who jump into the league around 20 years old. Not so for guys who take the long road.
Yes.
He developed slower because he wasn't that great. He'll probably be a good 7th/8th forward for LA. That's generally the long-term ceiling.
Why would them two be coming off? You're adding on to their salaries which should be in millions for a raise.
With Timonen ($6M), Mez ($4M), Gervais ($825K), & Bourdon ($612.5K). That's $11,437,500M coming off total between those four.
You also have to factor Steve Mason in. He's a bit of wildcard right now that could go either way but if he has a good season he'll be looking for a raise too.
DrinkFightFlyers said:Read could easily get more that. I think that is a good ballpark, but if he tops 50 points this season I think that number goes more to $4-$4.5 (unless he simply wants to stay in Philly and takes a discount). If he puts up 50+ points he may be one of the most sought after UFAs the next offseason outside of the obvious big name guys (should they make it).
Take a look at the career trajectory for a guy like Matt Moulson. Not saying Frattin will ever become that (nor will he be in a similar situation to succeed), but it's not fair to proclaim that his prime is over.
All players develop differently, but the guys who take the college route tend to develop slowest. Frattin was a good college player, and he has potential.
26 is the end of the prime years for players who developed quickly, were drafted high at 18 years old, and entered the NHL around 20. A couple years of development, followed by the "prime years", then a drop in performance around 26-27.
But for other players who developed later, the prime years occur later (shocker). Guys like Read, Moulson, Teddy Purcell, etc. They were nothing at age 18, and they took the long route. The prime for those guys is from about 26-29.
I'm not saying Frattin will be a great (or even good) player. I'm just saying the potential is there, and it's unfair to say he's done developing because he's 25.
Purcell's most common linemate each of these past two seasons has been Steven Stamkos. Likewise Moulson with Tavares. They have produced, doing so with these phenoms. The Kings have none such, which is probably one reason why neither made it with the Kings (although they should have kept Moulson). Frattin will not have these players, nor does Matt Read play with them.