The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Chainshot]

Two in the Mailbox: An Abrasive Attitude

It’s another edition of the mailbag and this time we’re tackling what the Sabres would need to change to adapt to the physical nature of the playoffs, how many new faces might be on the…

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Looking at how Tocchet has made it mandatory for players to do certain things physically, it IS possible to have some new personnel sprinkled into an existing lineup to support that initiative. The problem with Ott/Scott was there was no demand that the existing personnel buy in. The same with Rivet and Regher teams - they need both some abrasiveness from outside AND people to buy in or GTFO on the current roster.

 

[TehDoak]

I wonder if its realistic that Draisatl goes on the market this summer. Thompson + 11th OA +++

 

[sabremike]

I wonder if its realistic that Draisatl goes on the market this summer. Thompson + 11th OA +++

I would just presume that any deal would be contingent on Drai agreeing to an extension correct?

 

[sabremike]

As compared to everybody putting it into every deal for every player ever? That’s what I’m talking about. Ryan Strome is not worth 11oa. Anthony Cirelli is not worth 11oa. But here we are, just shoveling that pick into every thought.


Strangely, that was one of the few nuggets of wisdom from Tim Murray: he said if I use all of these pics, how can I sign them all. We already see a guy with a skill set missing from the prospect stable who was pushed down a tier rather than getting opportunity to hone his craft in a better league because they have so many small skill guys.



The writing was on that wall when they used all of those draft picks in the first and second rounds over two seasons.



Or even - shockingly - taking someone who is over 6’ tall.


Most prospects start to devalue the moment pick is made. Part of the value of the selection is that the selector has the option to use it in any of a variety of manners with whoever is still available. It holds even greater value when the outcome is nebulous, when the draft order is as yet unknown, not set in cement as it were. There’s far more possibility of just the pic than the reality of the prospect player.

Using all your picks is a particularly bad strategy when you do nothing but repeatedly draft the same exact player.

 

[Jacob582]

I've had a hard time letting go of Zemgus. But it's just time.

 

[TehDoak]

I've had a hard time letting go of Zemgus. But it's just time.

Old Zemger

 

[OkimLom]

I wonder if its realistic that Draisatl goes on the market this summer. Thompson + 11th OA +++

Goes on the market, probably less than 2% chance. Goes on the market and waives his NMC to come here, probably less than 1% on a good day.

I’d say there’s a chance that a Draisatl and Marner swap is probably the biggest chance of happening if he would go anywhere.

 

[Jacob582]

Old Zemger

 

[TehDoak]

Goes on the market, probably less than 2% chance. Goes on the market and waives his NMC to come here, probably less than 1% on a good day.

I’d say there’s a chance that a Draisatl and Marner swap is probably the biggest chance of happening if he would go anywhere.

Drai for Marner makes sense for neither team.

The reason the trade Drai is so you aren't spending nearly 30M on two centers. If the Leafs trade marner they run into the same issue as soon as Drai is up for extension.

 

[Jacob582]

I wonder if its realistic that Draisatl goes on the market this summer. Thompson + 11th OA +++

Cozens, Byram, Krebs, 11oa

Extension of course

 

[SundherDome]

Old Zemger

Wasn't prepared for this ... Look at the flowers Zemgus

 

[SundherDome]

Looking at how Tocchet has made it mandatory for players to do certain things physically, it IS possible to have some new personnel sprinkled into an existing lineup to support that initiative. The problem with Ott/Scott was there was no demand that the existing personnel buy in. The same with Rivet and Regher teams - they need both some abrasiveness from outside AND people to buy in or GTFO on the current roster.

Practice one - ten, Oklahoma drills.
Day off
Practice eleven - twenty, More Oklahoma drills.

 

[Dreakon13]

Wasn't prepared for this ... Look at the flowers Zemgus

Man, why'd you have to go and make me think of that episode Out of nowhere

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Just popping in to say I love benson. Do not trade the boy and there will be generation of Zach’s and half the dogs at daycare named benson. That’s a special hockey player.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Some interesting names on there that Adams would need to get moving on if he is interested in trading for them...

One thing which i think gets lost when people draw up lists of trade targets - Adams clearly wants players who want to be here. Those aren't false words. You look at his major acquisitions such as Tuch or Byram as examples.

I can't imagine he'd target a player who wouldn't waive any NMC/NTC for us anyway.

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Gabrielor]

I think Benson is right behind 25 and 26.

 

[Chainshot]

I would think that Thompson would require the highest ceiling.



I’ll show myself out.

 

[Chainshot]

One thing which i think gets lost when people draw up lists of trade targets - Adams clearly wants players who want to be here. Those aren't false words. You look at his major acquisitions such as Tuch or Byram as examples.

I can't imagine he'd target a player who wouldn't waive any NMC/NTC for us anyway.

We know he has attempted to acquire a couple of guys who have trade protection in Matt Murray and Brett Pesce. You never know, at least they ask.

 

[Sabreality]

I think Benson is right behind 25 and 26.

I think Quinn is right there too. Please stay healthy so we can see it.

 

[TageGod]

Strictly what this player can max out as:

1) Dahlin
2) Power
3) Thompson

Top 3 are obvious

4) Tuch
5) Byram
6) Savoie
7) Quinn
8) Peterka
9) Levi
10) Cozens

Tuch PPG game breaker potential as seen previous season
Byram has Dahlin type offensive ability
Savoie has the highest upside of anyone remaining with good two way play
Quinn just needs to stay healthy and will be a top 6 two way all situations player
Peterka Will lose points for defense but has top end offensive upside.
Levi is small, deflections will always be a disadvantage and will get less "player hit the goalie" saves
Cozens VS Benson is interesting to me. I still think Cozens has higher upside than Benson. Everyone above Cozens has 1C/1W/1G or 1D potential

I do like Benson, I will take more of him on the roster, but he slots at 11 for me. Not a great goal scorer, and way too slow for that size. 2W potential upside is still nice. The shiny new toy syndrome strikes again, people wanting him in the top 5 is hilarious.

Leaving out UPL is an odd take as he could slot in the top 5 easily.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

We know he has attempted to acquire a couple of guys who have trade protection in Matt Murray and Brett Pesce. You never know, at least they ask.

There were rumors about Hanifin too

 

[Willgamesh]

no 6k?

 

[Matt Ress]

I think Quinn has massive potential

 

[Chainshot]

I think Quinn has massive potential

He gets my vote. Depends on the work he puts in but my word, he has some flashes.