I would try and trade for Nugent-Hopkins and a 2nd for Ceci, andTurris. He is 24 and He's a former #1 and could beast out in the next couple years. Then id sign Big Joe this summer for 2 years.
Sens get bent. Turris has more value than RNH and you could get a lot better than a 2nd for Cody Ceci.
Only things I'm mad about were giving up Dahlen, and adding the 2nd to Brassard for having a cheap owner.
Those are the only things I'd consider mortgaging the future.
Exactly this. The rest is all smoke and fumes
To get:
Brassard, Ryan, Phaneuf, Burrows, Stalberg, Condon, Wingels
...Sens management gave up:
Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Ritchie, Noesen, Dahlen, Lindberg, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5th (+ 20M in cap space)
That's a heck of a lot more than one prospect.
I wish I could understand asset management to have a discussion about this
Wingels for a 7th? Wingels small contributions are already worth much more than a 7th round pick.
Condon for 5th? Condon contributions are already worth much more than a 5th round pick.
Stalberg for a 3rd? Stalberg contributions are already worth more than a 3rd round pick.
Burrows? Burrows contributions over 2.33 years will probably be worth a lot more than a 2nd round pick. Unfortunately that pick was a prospect already drafted in Jonathan Dahlen. This one I regret, but still wish we got Burrows but for a different package.
Phaneuf? Phaneuf contributions already proves that Ottawa hit a home-run on that trade. Getting a veteran #2-3 D solid as a rock for a 2nd and an average prospect, while unloading 14 M$ of dead salary? That's insane asset management actually. I'm surprised that an asset management expert can't see that.
Ryan? Yes Silfverberg is great but Ryan did out-produce him by a wide margin the first 3 years. Silf won the production battle this year. Nothing guarantees that it will be the same story next year. Ritchie is not that special (2014 was weak) and takes a spot that we filled and will fill with somebody better. Noesen was claimed off waivers. It's a miracle that he overcame his injuries and played in the NHL. In 2 years, Silfverberg will also be signed to a big contract and will also have pressure to produce in his late 20's early 30's. That trade was short term loss for longer term gain for Anaheim and the opposite for Ottawa. It was also to save the face after the fact that Alfie left for Detroit.
Brassard? This trade is probably a wash even though I will always miss Zbad. Yes giving up a 2nd on top of Zibanejad seems excessive but Brassard has a bargain of a contract (10.0 for 3 full years) and just had scored 60 and 58 points the last 2 seasons. Something Zibanejad has never did and might never do. Zibanejad is amazing some games, but is inconsistent, that's why he was traded. I think the main reason why this trade happened is that Zibanejad wasn't identified as a main core piece that the organization wanted to eventually pay over 5.5 per year.
It's crazy that when we really look at the reality, it doesn't paint a portrait as catastrophic as what you were saying.
my but you have a high opinion of your opinions.
I spend a good amount of time reading these boards so I know what I am talking about and with respect to anything related to this franchise you are one of this boards more negative posters.
# realism
I don't find this poster particularly realistic. He has some good points, but some of the things he says are just out of it. I've seen a ton of posters like that in the last decade. They would be of course the best GM in the league by far if you could just "listen to them". But they forgot one thing : all those real GMs out there operate within only one real world.
Not sure he'd want to come back to a team that traded him though.
Sure, he's probably mad at Ottawa who gave him his first real shot to be a NHL goalie and traded him to a place where he could be a starter and prove himself. All that, because Ottawa lost an asset management trade!
Anyway moot point, I don't think Bishop will continue to be "elite" in people's eyes, depending on where he ends up playing. Nothing about his talent screams elite. He's big and good positionally but he can be exposed if the team in front of him isn't dominant, like this season or the years he was with Ottawa.