Uh...
What?
Corrado had 1 goal last year, the only goal in his career so far.
Hamhuis had 5 goals last year.
At least even try to look at a stats sheet before you literally pull numbers out of your ass.
Speculation: The Hamhuis injury effect & solution
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What?
Corrado had 1 goal last year, the only goal in his career so far.
Hamhuis had 5 goals last year.
At least even try to look at a stats sheet before you literally pull numbers out of your ass.
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I'd prefer the team stand pat. Despite our record, I think this team is still in transition. While the goal is to make the playoffs each year, the future is of great importance and I want no hand in trading away any future assets for some minor stopgap. Even less for a proven solution because then that will cost more than what I would like to give.
If Richardson were injured long-term, I would say that this is a great opportunity for Horvat. Although Stanton, Weber, Sbisa, and Corrado each seem to have their problems and do not have the same pedigree, Hamhuis' injury is simply another opportunity for one or more of these players to step up.
We are not a Stanley Cup contending team who's window is closing anymore and making a trade to fix the gap left by Hamhuis is only something I would want that team to do. Let the depth defensemen play and lets have some fun with it. No one player is going to replace him so lets see what Willie can get out of the group.
At the very least, they'll go through several games and assess the situation before making any decisions.
If Richardson were injured long-term, I would say that this is a great opportunity for Horvat. Although Stanton, Weber, Sbisa, and Corrado each seem to have their problems and do not have the same pedigree, Hamhuis' injury is simply another opportunity for one or more of these players to step up.
We are not a Stanley Cup contending team who's window is closing anymore and making a trade to fix the gap left by Hamhuis is only something I would want that team to do. Let the depth defensemen play and lets have some fun with it. No one player is going to replace him so lets see what Willie can get out of the group.
At the very least, they'll go through several games and assess the situation before making any decisions.
It's not good obviously. I think we can get to around Christmas or so with the guys we have now, so long as nobody else gets hurt and then evaluate how we are doing and what is it looking like for Hamhuis coming back (it looked bad, could be out for the year?). Schedule gets a lot tougher in the new year, might have to add on defence if someone else gets hurt or if we start to struggle here in the next month or two.
Another thing, Stanton and Sbisa are just back from injury themselves. The fact Corrado is up and not someone else tells me that they expect someone else not to be able to go here, they wouldn't bring up Corrado just to sit in the press box...one of the other guys is probably pretty hurting still as well.
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Yeah I agree. I wouldn't mind a bit trade for a depth defenceman for that reason.
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Force-fitting Corrado is a panic move. The Canucks do not have any depth on defense. There are no NHL defensemen to call up. Corrado is an AHL player.
Linden, Benning and Desjardins seem to have a handle on things. I am comfortable thinking they knew about this eventuality. It is probable they tried lots of things pre-season to address this. I speculate guys like Del Zotto and Ehrhoff heard from the team last Summer. If Canucks were unable to do a fix all Summer, I do not think they will attempt it now. Trading guys for a defenseman is a lot harder than signing a free agent. This is made worse by the current market conditions where several teams are openly seeking defense.
Canucks will need lights out goaltending and godly games from the last six NHL defensemen to continue winning. This is asking a lot. I seriously think that if a trade cannot be made, the team should look at signing a free agent. Even if they sign a battered old man that can only play six minutes a night and powerplays, they will be better off.
Linden, Benning and Desjardins seem to have a handle on things. I am comfortable thinking they knew about this eventuality. It is probable they tried lots of things pre-season to address this. I speculate guys like Del Zotto and Ehrhoff heard from the team last Summer. If Canucks were unable to do a fix all Summer, I do not think they will attempt it now. Trading guys for a defenseman is a lot harder than signing a free agent. This is made worse by the current market conditions where several teams are openly seeking defense.
Canucks will need lights out goaltending and godly games from the last six NHL defensemen to continue winning. This is asking a lot. I seriously think that if a trade cannot be made, the team should look at signing a free agent. Even if they sign a battered old man that can only play six minutes a night and powerplays, they will be better off.
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All because of a Hamhuis injury? The guy is more overrated than I thought he was. He's obviously better, but it's almost like Jason Garrison part deus.
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If you were to just take one step outside your front door and look up, you would see that the sky is, in fact, not falling.
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It's possible but I wouldn't say very likely.
Sedins would have to sustain a pace that only a dozen players were capable of last season.
Tanev is the weak link as far as durability goes. He isn't as solidly built as the others.
Miller would likely have to have a sv% of 0.920 or greater the rest of the way, something he hasn't done in that long a stretch in years.
Although I do agree that our defence looks quite bleak, and we are one more injury away from it being pretty awful, I think that in situations like this, you have to see what you have got in your organization. It is true that our current organizational depth on defence is extremely thin, sometimes players thrive when given opportunity. Sometimes they fall flat on their face, but it is a perfect way to find out.
Last year was one of those crazy seasons for the Redwings, but I think the team is better for it now that they know what they have in their players.
Maybe Sbisa realizes his potential. Maybe Sanguinetti gets the opportunity at an older age and finally shows why he was drafted 21st overall. I am not making the argument that it is likely to happen, but I think you have to find out what character you have in your own company before you start hiring from abroad.
Last year was one of those crazy seasons for the Redwings, but I think the team is better for it now that they know what they have in their players.
Maybe Sbisa realizes his potential. Maybe Sanguinetti gets the opportunity at an older age and finally shows why he was drafted 21st overall. I am not making the argument that it is likely to happen, but I think you have to find out what character you have in your own company before you start hiring from abroad.
Team's been beating the odds so far this season. Give the players a chance to fix the problem over the next few games. If/when they falter, then there is a choice to be made.
a.) Trade for a vet d that can improve the situation.
b.) Leave things as they fall and acquire a high draft pick.
c.) Trade for a really good d prospect; which also takes care of the team's shallow d prospect depth. This probably means giving up a F prospect and the 1st. Maybe include a goalie prospect as well.
a.) Trade for a vet d that can improve the situation.
b.) Leave things as they fall and acquire a high draft pick.
c.) Trade for a really good d prospect; which also takes care of the team's shallow d prospect depth. This probably means giving up a F prospect and the 1st. Maybe include a goalie prospect as well.
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I'd say the Hamhuis is something to panic over. We are so thin after our top group of dmen we need to acquire another legit top 4.
From Friedman's 30 Thoughts
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-financial-woes-not-unique-to-johnson/
If we could convince Phoenix to swap Schlemko for Sestito I'd do it. We need another warm body for depth purposes.
Schlemko's salary: $1,275,000 cap hit: $1,187,500 (contract ends after this season)
Sestito's salary: $750,000 (100k signing bonus already paid) cap hit: $750,000 (contract also ends after this season)
Phoenix would save $525,000 (before prorating)
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I'd go a little easier on the plaudits. Frank has been good at times and not so good at times in Utica this season. He was just starting to perform better as an offensive player. His D is still shaky if you are considering him as an NHL player. To be sure, he has not been leading the Comets to first in Utica. He has chipped in, but there are three other guys who have outplayed him as a defenseman when in the lineup; Huskins, Sanguinetti, and Biega. Ehrhardt has been equally as good. He gets the offensive edge over all except Sanguinetti (2/6 for 8 points) and at times Biega ( 1/5 for 6 points) has been as good. Even Tommernes has 2/4 for 6 points. Frank has a total of 2 goals and 1 assist for 3 points. He has hardly been leading the Comets to first.
You also include Corrado in the group you say have handled the pressure for 15 games so far this season. According to the published stats Frank has played 0 games for the Canucks so far while missing 1/3 of the Comets games sitting out in Vancouver. Therefore, he has handled nothing in Vancouver so far. Until the coach decides he's worth a chance to play, he is wasted in Vancouver.
Hopefully, for Frankie, he will get a chance to prove he either belongs in Vancouver or needs to stay in Utica. We wish Frankie only the best, but he needs the opportunity to prove himself.
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We are 13-6-1, have a + goal differential and a top 10 PK unit.
Losing Hamhuis is going to sting, but def worst? Even worse than the Sabres and Oilers? Really?
Please explain how that's true.
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From what I gather, Desjardins' strategies require smart D, and attentive two-way forwards. He has a fast transition to counterattack and the D are required to pinch and aid the cycle offensively, which means the forwards have to constantly wheel back to fill the gap (maybe this is why Vey had to sit down for a little while).
Whoever they get, whether it is Corrado or a recycled Salo, had better be a quick study. Didn't Sbisa mention in an interview that it was a style that was pretty different from all the others he had been taught? The good thing is that apparently you don't need to be a massive guy to play this way, because the idea is to keep pressure all the time all over the ice, not to sit back in your lane like a cobra, waiting to pounce when the forward gets too close to the slot.
Whoever they get, whether it is Corrado or a recycled Salo, had better be a quick study. Didn't Sbisa mention in an interview that it was a style that was pretty different from all the others he had been taught? The good thing is that apparently you don't need to be a massive guy to play this way, because the idea is to keep pressure all the time all over the ice, not to sit back in your lane like a cobra, waiting to pounce when the forward gets too close to the slot.
Bieksa has been horrible all season and Edler/Tanev are where you'd expect them to be.
The others are all under age 25 (save Weber), so if they are a few notches above themselves (which I disagree with anyway) it's generally called "improvement" or "progress"
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