Salary Cap: The Clash: Should they stay or should they go.

[roquay]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

Official 2015-16 salary ceiling: ........71,400,000
Projected 2015-16 cap spending: ....72,622,784
Deadline cap space: ..........................2,527,216

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

28​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

27​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Phil Kessel|

RW​

|

27​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

28​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

Carl Hagelin|

LW​

|

27​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

35​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

|

UFA​

Eric Fehr|

C​

|

29​

|

2,000,000​

|

2,000,000​

|

2,000,000​

Sergei Plotnikov|

LW​

|

25​

|

925,000​

|

RFA​

Matt Cullen|

C​

|

38​

|

800,000​

|

UFA​

Conor Sheary|

LW​

|

23​

|

667,500​

|

667,500​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

23​

|

652,500​

|

RFA​

Kevin Porter|

C​

|

29​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

23​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

.2017-18​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

28​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Trevor Daley|

D​

|

32​

|

3,300,000​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Ian Cole|

D​

|

26​

|

2,100,000​

|

2,100,000​

|

2,100,000​

Ben Lovejoy|

D​

|

31​

|

1,100,000​

|

UFA​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

20​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

23​

|

800,000​

|

800,000​

|

RFA​

David Warsofsky|

D​

|

25​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie............,.......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

.2017-18​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

30​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Jeff Zatkoff|

G​

|

28​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

Injured reserve.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

.2017-18​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

36​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Bonino|

C​

|

27​

|

1,900,000​

|

1,900,000​

|

UFA​

Beau Bennett|

RW​

|

23​

|

800,000​

|

RFA​

Retained salary.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

.2017-18​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

37​

|

1,125,000​

|

1,125,000​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

Tyler Biggs|

RW​

|

22​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

21​

|

700,833​

|

708,333​

|

RFA​

Dominik Simon|

C​

|

20​

|

692,500​

|

692,500​

|

692,500​

|

RFA​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

22​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

|

RFA​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

23​

|

655,000​

|

RFA​

Matia Marcantuoni|

C​

|

21​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

21​

|

585,000​

|

585,000​

|

RFA​

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

22​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Kael Mouillierat|

LW​

|

27​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Defense...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

21​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

|

RFA​

Harrison Ruopp|

D​

|

22​

|

650,833​

|

RFA​

Niclas Andersen|

D​

|

27​

|

625,000​

|

UFA​

Tim Erixon|

D​

|

24​

|

600,000​

|

RFA​

Reid McNeill|

D​

|

23​

|

575,000​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Will O'Neill|

D​

|

27​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Steve Oleksy|

D​

|

29​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie..................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

21​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

|

RFA​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

20​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

WHEELING NAILERS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

Anton Zlobin|

LW​

|

22​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Daniel Sprong|

F​

|

18​

|

Charlottetown (QMJHL)​

|

3 years, $692,500 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

19​

|Cornell (ECAC)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

19​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Teddy Blueger|

F​

|

20​

|Minnesota State (WCHA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

20​

|Maine (HEA)

Jake Guentzel|

F​

|

20​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

21​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

20​

|Brown (ECAC)

Jaden Lindo|

F​

|

19​

|Owen Sound (OHL)

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

22​

|Boston University (HEA)

Nikita Pavlychev|

F​

|

18​

|Des Moines (USHL)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

25​

|Khabarovsk (KHL)

Ryan Segalla|

D​

|

20​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

21​

|Union (ECAC)

Frederik Tiffels|

F​

|

20​

|Western Michigan (NCHC)

Just picking up from where we left off

For who? If Anaheim ends up bottom 5 that's highway robbery for the Penguins! No way Anaheim does it.



I've said this many, many times before...in damn near ALL of my posts regarding trading Letang. I only trade Letang for a high draft pick that allows us to take Laine or Puljujarvi. Otherwise, I likely would not unless the return was something we couldn't turn down.

And you're right, there is a chance that they do not work out. But if you look at the roster right now, as is...it's not going anywhere! This is not a cup caliber team in any sense of the word. So in my opinion you have two options, two 10,000ft view options. You can either trade major assets for new major assets and let them grow a bit (this also in conjunction with Dumo, Maatta, Pouliot, Sprong, Sundy, etc) and you may have something in 2-3 years OR you can keep who you have and trade/tweak/sign until the cows come home and piss away the last remaining years of Sid and Geno. And there's every bit of evidence to support that is exactly what would happen. So which would I choose? I would rather get some young guys with some serious talent in here and hope they come to fruition at the tail end of Sid and Geno's prime for one last cup. Looking past that, if you have these young guys, they are actually guys would build off of once Sid and Geno call it quits. Right now, we have nothing! We have a checkered past, a blah barely passible present, and a bleak future.

Now yes, if we send out Letang right now it may mean a couple rough years on the defense. As I've said though, there's a decent amount of Top 4 UFAs coming up that could help fill the gap and we have a trade piece in Hornqvist to help procure a Top 4 dman.

Targets could include but not limited to Gogo, Yandle, Russel, even Ehrhoff for 1yr cheap. Sign Yandle to a $6milx6yr to take him to 35. In 2-3 years when others have matured:

Maatta-Yandle
Dumoulin-Pouliot
Cole/Daley/WBS/Trade/Russel/etc

is a very capable Top 4. Combine that with the added firepower of Laine and/or Puljujarvi on the LW in the Top 6 plus whatever else we may get...I'm okay with it. I'm placing my bets there...not with this current group. Not one that has Letang playing 50% of the time and Cullen on 2LW.

So yes, there is obvious risk. Keeping Letang has just as much risk if you ask me. Often injured, fragile, $7.25mil Letang who is inconsistent to boot? I'm sick of the status quo. I don't like our team. I want another cup AND a future. I've set forth a plan that can get us both. Do we have to make hard, risky decision and say goodbye to a family member, YES! Does that suck, of course! But sometimes you have to take the risky bets if you want it to pay off big.

You guys might be fine with sitting on your hands and doing nothing magically hoping that for some mysterious reason it magically gets turned around...I'm not.



If we are going after a young players that's available, Rychel > Drouin. Rychel provides a lot of what we need. I would love to know if we've inquired about him.

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Byfuglien (or Gogo, Yandle) is a great top 4 for a contender that is possible next season.

We could also make the trades involving Pouliot-Rychel Drouin-Sprong+(pick from Perron?). They aren't trades that are too far fetched.

It gives us a great D and a very good forward group that has young talent that will compete now and in the future. We keep our draft picks moving forward to plan for the future while still being very competitive.

We do however need a competent GM to have a plan and follow through no matter what way we go. The past hasn't worked because we kept topping up with only the short term in mind and not keeping draft picks (plus a few bad contracts)

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[Amen evil king]

On a slightly different topic, has anyone noticed that -- half way through the season! -- Bobby Farnham has more goals than every Penguins winger except Kessel and Hornqvist?

He's getting so used to scoring he doesn't even celly any more:



Bobby ****ing Farnham outscoring Perron, Kunitz, Bonino, Fehr, Letang, Bennett, Plotnikov, etc, has to be one of the stranger statistical anomalies of the season.

 

[roquay]

On a slightly different topic, has anyone noticed that -- half way through the season! -- Bobby Farnham has more goals than every Penguins winger except Kessel and Hornqvist?

He's getting so used to scoring he doesn't even celly any more:



Bobby ****ing Farnham outscoring Perron, Kunitz, Bonino, Fehr, Letang, Bennett, Plotnikov, etc, has to be one of the stranger statistical anomalies of the season.

Megna is also leading the league in PPG!

It's a small sample of one game though

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

I was wrong about Farnham. I thought he was a useless plug like Adams or Sill. The guy is taking his opportunity and running with it in NJ. Good for him. Goals are a pleasant surprise, but from what my buddy (Devils fan) tells me, Farnham's every bit as much of an agitator and 4th line grind guy as you'd want.

 

[roquay]

I was wrong about Farnham. I thought he was a useless plug like Adams or Sill. The guy is taking his opportunity and running with it in NJ. Good for him. Goals are a pleasant surprise, but from what my buddy (Devils fan) tells me, Farnham's every bit as much of an agitator and 4th line grind guy as you'd want.

He was good at getting us on the PP too.

 

[WooWooKennyWu*]

First person who must go is Crosby. The problems start with him

Marc-Andre Fleury should be next as Murray is just as good and MAF would be selling high. Classic replacement might be better or on par pick up some assets.

The fat of the franchise. Starts with leadership. I like Sullivan as an Asst HC and everyone else can go. Ron Francis as Vice President/GM. Other portions of fat are old or not worth value of contract. Chris Kunitz, David Perron, Patric Hornqvist, Nick Bonino, Ian Cole

I would consider trading Kessel and Letang. Possibly both.

Tough sledding

 

[IcedCapp]

I was wrong about Farnham. I thought he was a useless plug like Adams or Sill. The guy is taking his opportunity and running with it in NJ. Good for him. Goals are a pleasant surprise, but from what my buddy (Devils fan) tells me, Farnham's every bit as much of an agitator and 4th line grind guy as you'd want.

The problem with your line of thinking, and you know I love you, so I mean this as nice as I can mean anything, is that even if Farnham never scored a goal for use he was far far more useful than Adams or Sill. His shift always produced energy in the crowd (even at the mausoleum) and earned us PPs.

He brought us things no one else in the organization does.

 

[IcedCapp]

First person who must go is Crosby. The problems start with him

Marc-Andre Fleury should be next as Murray is just as good and MAF would be selling high. Classic replacement might be better or on par pick up some assets.

The fat of the franchise. Starts with leadership. I like Sullivan as an Asst HC and everyone else can go. Ron Francis as Vice President/GM. Other portions of fat are old or not worth value of contract. Chris Kunitz, David Perron, Patric Hornqvist, Nick Bonino, Ian Cole

I would consider trading Kessel and Letang. Possibly both.

Tough sledding

Very nice work. I enjoy how you mocked trolls without once breaking character. Usually, people would let on that their joking, but you were able to go the distance. One of the funniest things I've read this week. You should apply to the Onion.

Bravo again, bro.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

The problem with your line of thinking, and you know I love you, so I mean this as nice as I can mean anything, is that even if Farnham never scored a goal for use he was far far more useful than Adams or Sill. His shift always produced energy in the crowd (even at the mausoleum) and earned us PPs.

He brought us things no one else in the organization does.

Yeah, I know, and I agree. I just didn't think it would last. I thought it was a case of "Oh ****, I finally got my chance" adrenaline those couple of games we saw him here, and it would wear off sooner rather than later.

Good for Farnham, though. He's been as good as you could ask a 4th line energy guy to be. If he had size, he'd be the perfect 4th liner.

 

[Uemoda]

I hate that we lost Farnham for nothing. Still have his bobblehead from WBS sitting on my desk.

I am glad he is lighting it up in NJ though. The Hynes factor is probably playing into it, but hopefully it translates into something longterm for him.

 

[Coastal Kev]

The Pens couldn't find any room for a guy like Farnham but can't seem to rid themselves of Adamsesque players such as Porter. This organization blows.

 

[hooverdam]

First person who must go is Crosby. The problems start with him

Marc-Andre Fleury should be next as Murray is just as good and MAF would be selling high. Classic replacement might be better or on par pick up some assets.

The fat of the franchise. Starts with leadership. I like Sullivan as an Asst HC and everyone else can go. Ron Francis as Vice President/GM. Other portions of fat are old or not worth value of contract. Chris Kunitz, David Perron, Patric Hornqvist, Nick Bonino, Ian Cole

I would consider trading Kessel and Letang. Possibly both.

Tough sledding

what is this

 

[The Greatest 101]

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/931554
"Here's another name to toss around as the NHL's Feb. 29 trade deadline inches closer: St. Louis Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk. His "name is in play on the trade front," reports Craig Custance in an insider-only piece at ESPN."

Pens should be all over this.

 

[Zen Arcade]

But but but, Farnham is useless and grit is overrated.

The wieners over at PensBurgh said so.

 

[IcedCapp]

Yeah, I know, and I agree. I just didn't think it would last. I thought it was a case of "Oh ****, I finally got my chance" adrenaline those couple of games we saw him here, and it would wear off sooner rather than later.

Good for Farnham, though. He's been as good as you could ask a 4th line energy guy to be. If he had size, he'd be the perfect 4th liner.

I get that. My stance would have been, "I'm riding him until he proves he can't keep it up', Better than Porter et al. But oh well. Once Bennett is back that'll be over, too.

 

[Fordy]

i miss farnham

 

[roquay]

Pens should be all over this.

He'd be soooo good here but that's a hard trade to get done. They'll be after a centre most likely though and that rules us out.

Any ideas of a trade?

 

[SEALBound]

What does St. Louis want?

I honestly have no idea how to value Shatty.

 

[roquay]

I get that. My stance would have been, "I'm riding him until he proves he can't keep it up', Better than Porter et al. But oh well. Once Bennett is back that'll be over, too.

Is Bennett really being looked at for trade?

I mean I'd trade anyone on the team if the right deal was there but he doesn't have a lot of trade value.

Plus he's cheap and a good player.

 

[The Greatest 101]

He'd be soooo good here but that's a hard trade to get done. They'll be after a centre most likely though and that rules us out.

Any ideas of a trade?

I don't think they can get a #1 center for him.

However,old man Rutherford probably doesn't even know he's available.

 

[UnrealMachine]

What does St. Louis want?

I honestly have no idea how to value Shatty.

Please send them back Ian "lump of" Cole.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

On a slightly different topic, has anyone noticed that -- half way through the season! -- Bobby Farnham has more goals than every Penguins winger except Kessel and Hornqvist?

He's getting so used to scoring he doesn't even celly any more:



Bobby ****ing Farnham outscoring Perron, Kunitz, Bonino, Fehr, Letang, Bennett, Plotnikov, etc, has to be one of the stranger statistical anomalies of the season.

Farnham still sucks, maybe not as much as Porter but yeah he still sucks.

 

[mpp9]

What does St. Louis want?

I honestly have no idea how to value Shatty.

Sounds like RNH's name is thrown out there. If I'm EDM, I don't do it. They'd be back to being shallow at center again and no guarantee Shattenkirk stays there longterm. They'd probably have to pay him 8+ mil to keep him especially if they're still not a good team in a couple years.

I think the Blues can do a whole lot better than what we have to offer though. They have a stud D to replace him in Parayko. Not a big need for Pouliot. And we have no skilled expendable centers.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

i miss farnham

Same here, this team needed sandpaper on the 4th line and he brought it...lost him for nothing.

 

[IcedCapp]

Is Bennett really being looked at for trade?

I mean I'd trade anyone on the team if the right deal was there but he doesn't have a lot of trade value.

Plus he's cheap and a good player.

i meant that when Bennett is back, no more Porter, meaning no more roster spot