Salary Cap: The Chara contract and what does it mean for the Leafs and Marleau?

[Gallagbi]

I think it's quite possible that mlse told management to get a big name fa, no matter the price.

I think there's no chance in hell that happened.

 

[The Podium]

Yeah, mlse doing things like that is unheard of.

Mlse sees the direction, sees the improvement of fan support and the potential for even more profit if done right. There is literally no incentive for them doing anything like that. Also MLSE representatives have made it very clear that this is Shanahans team.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Mlse sees the direction, sees the improvement of fan support and the potential for even more profit if done right. There is literally no incentive for them doing anything like that. Also MLSE representatives have made it very clear that this is Shanahans team.

So if there's no incentive for mlse to do something stupid to try and make things better in the short term, explain why they gave $20 million to an old man?

That's the problem. The Marleau contract is PROOF that mlse is meddling. How do we know? The decision is short sighted and stupid. Which sounds JUST like mlse, and not at all like Lou and Shanny. That's how we know.

 

[New Leaf]

So if there's no incentive for mlse to do something stupid to try and make things better in the short term, explain why they gave $20 million to an old man?

That's the problem. The Marleau contract is PROOF that mlse is meddling. How do we know? The decision is short sighted and stupid. Which sounds JUST like mlse, and not at all like Lou and Shanny. That's how we know.

Your username makes a lot of sense

 

[Pookie]

Not quite. A Nmc means first and foremsot the player retains full control over their fate, shouldn't be viewed as "this player will never be traded" clause.

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Trying to shine this up a little? I think everyone clearly gets that if a player controls their ability to be traded, they can nix anything and the club is powerless.

Signed Mats Sundin.

 

[Ciao]

They do.

NMC means no movement. Not by trade or waivers or demotion. Player is with the pro club (and cap hit too) for the duration of the contract unless they waive it or are bought out.

He asked for and got the Marlies' protection clause in my view, the price for burying older players in the minors.

NTCs may have limits on them like teams but players with them can still be waived or demoted. Greening and Michalek both had limited NTCs

Bottom line for this deal is that healthy or hurt, productive or not, this $6.25M cap hit is here to stay.

The NMC doesn't cover Robidas Island, but Marleau hasn't missed a game since 2008 or so.

Unlike Robidas, who came with two broken legs, Marleau doesn't have any pre-existing health conditions.

What would Lou do then?

 

[taurine330]

The NMC doesn't cover Robidas Island, but Marleau hasn't missed a game since 2008 or so.

Unlike Robidas, who came with two broken legs, Marleau doesn't have any pre-existing health conditions.

What would Lou do then?

Break his legs?

 

[Go4soda]

So if there's no incentive for mlse to do something stupid to try and make things better in the short term, explain why they gave $20 million to an old man?

That's the problem. The Marleau contract is PROOF that mlse is meddling. How do we know? The decision is short sighted and stupid. Which sounds JUST like mlse, and not at all like Lou and Shanny. That's how we know.

I think you'd be right if we signed a useless vet for long term. But,
A) Marleau can still score (27g last year)
B) Marleau can still skate (won't hold our guy's back in that dept)
C) he is a guy who will benefit our young guys huge. This is a very underrated aspect of development for young players.

Then when it's time for Matthews and marner to cash in, poof.... he's gone.

It's not short sighted. You need veteran support for your young core. Marleau can offer mentorship that guy's like komarov can't.

 

[indigobuffalo]

Marleau' contract is also bonus laden.

In year 3, he's due $4.5M actual dollars with a cap hit of $6.5M.

BUT, he gets paid $3M of that $4.5M July 1st, 2019. Meaning after July 1st, 2019, he will be owed $1.5M in salary with a cap hit of $6.5M, which is perfect for any team aiming to hit the cap floor.

Not to mention the high probability of a second expansion team in 2018 or more likely 2019.

 

[indigobuffalo]

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Trying to shine this up a little? I think everyone clearly gets that if a player controls their ability to be traded, they can nix anything and the club is powerless.

Signed Mats Sundin.

The Mats Sundin situation was just horribly bungled by Fletcher. He should have asked Sundin privately for the waiver. Once Sundin declined, he should have had a few media articles go out saying Sundin was crucial to the rebuild and needed to help the young prospects flourish.

Then the fan base doesn't lose their collective minds over him not waiving. And he would have actually been good for helping prospects along.

 

[indigobuffalo]

The NMC doesn't cover Robidas Island, but Marleau hasn't missed a game since 2008 or so.

Unlike Robidas, who came with two broken legs, Marleau doesn't have any pre-existing health conditions.

What would Lou do then?

Lou is the godfather. He makes Marleau an offer he cannot refuse.

 

[7even]

So if there's no incentive for mlse to do something stupid to try and make things better in the short term, explain why they gave $20 million to an old man?

That's the problem. The Marleau contract is PROOF that mlse is meddling. How do we know? The decision is short sighted and stupid. Which sounds JUST like mlse, and not at all like Lou and Shanny. That's how we know.

No TRUE Scotsman would sign Patrick Marleau.

 

[Commander Clueless]

That's the problem. The Marleau contract is PROOF that mlse is meddling. How do we know? The decision is short sighted and stupid. Which sounds JUST like mlse, and not at all like Lou and Shanny. That's how we know.

Actually, from the way the contract is structured it looks like a lot of foresight went into it, playing to the Leafs strengths (financial strength, ELCs for the next 2 years).

I do think it is a bad contract, but Marleau will add a lot to the team.


There's a lot more evidence to suggest this was a Babcock "meddling" than an MLSE meddling.

 

[ACC1224]

Your username makes a lot of sense

Spot on. It really does say a lot about this kid.