The Case Against Steve Yzerman

[BohemianRhandomly]

Fire Yzerman..??



Thanks for the laugh today.

 

[Cigar City]

If my calculations are correct he doesn't really believe all of those things but would like to point out how trendy and hypocritical all of the posters on HF are because "these things have been said before".

Not worth my time.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

? The point is when things go bad then the popular sentiment is Yzerman is a moron who should be fired.

But when things go well it's "Yzer-God", etc.

If the wheels continue to fall off in the 2nd half, the movement to get rid of Yzerman will come back.

What has SteveY done to you?

 

[DFC]

What has SteveY done to you?

He's upset that, by his own admission, things are going well.

 

[Todd1a]

Let's consider the possibly that the recent slide continues and the Lightning either get embarrassed in the playoffs again this year or miss it completely.

Given the bi-polar relationship Tampa fans have towards Yzerman (I know nobody admits it now since "Yzelam and Yzerology" is popular) but the fact was there were a majority of people calling for Yzerman to be fired early in 2013 to Sept 2013.

So if things continue to go south, it's not hard to envision the band wagon will be to fire Yzerman.

Would you be on board?

This is the case for firing Yzerman.

1. If this year doesn't turn around, he is 0-2 with picking coaches. Both Boucher and Cooper got a lot of praise early, but they appear to be questionable choices by Yzerman.

2. His inability to solve the goaltending issue. First there was the SmEllis debacle, which was temporarily solved by Roloson, than the failure of extending Roloson a year too long, then the Lindback debacle as the "next one", it was solved by the Bishop trade who could have been had off waivers earlier.

Yzerman appears to potentially further screw up the goalie situation by signing Nabakov who lets be honest, has flat out stunk while we have 2 goalies in the AHL who give the team a better chance to win. But thanks to Yzerman's horrible signing, when Bishop comes back from injury, Vasi is going back down. Will those 2 have their development ruined by not being given a chance at the right time?

Also, it is quite easy to envision that the Bishop contract will be hanging over this team's head soon. If Nabby were to disappear and Bishop's injury woes were to continue (Bishop has not been as good this year as he was last year) and Vasi continued his strong play, then what? Vasi is relegated to the bench because of Yzerman's contract and commitment to Bishop?

3. Yzerman's failure in the first round of the draft. I know some will disagree, but there comes a time people where you have to call a goat a goat. I swear that Brett Connoly will be a 34 year old still doing nothing and some of you will be yelling "You can't call him a bust, he's only 34! Wait until next year!

Seriously, it's a fact that most of Yzerman's first round selections are not as good as players who were drafted in a similar spot or behind them.

Connolly is a hindrance. We see how this team is being hurt by the organization's desperation for him to prove he's not a bust.

Slater Koekkoek still not on the horizon for cracking the NHL line up despite his peers emerging as stars.

And then there's Jonathan Drouin. One year gone already. This year being used as a bit part. Sure you can blame Cooper for not giving him a shot, but who put Cooper in charge? Yzerman.

4. There's the albatross that is Matt Carle's contract.

5. Yzerman's ego. Whether you blame the other party or not, Yzerman alienated MSL and the Lightnings all time greats bolted solely because of Yzerman. It also has obviously damaged Stamkos, as both his play and his attitude of "I miss Marty so much". If the Stamkos contract negotiations turn ugly, will you be willing to throw Yzerman overboard for Stamkos?

6. Yzerman's penchant for hiring his buddies for roles in the Lightning organization. Steve Thomas? Pat Verbeek? The most qualified guys for the job or simply buddies with Stevie?

Sure there's been some good later round picks but every team gets lucky with a few.

So what do you say? Six months from now will Yzerman get the axe?

this is stupid!! ok I give him a pass on guy boucher! why ? because was he really going to get a good vet nhl coach for a team that was going to a long rebuilding mode with nothing in the minors in 2010! Yzerman has made a few mistakes lindback,Boucher, Carle! but let's look at the good!

1. Traded cory conacher and a 4th round draft pick for Ben Bishop!

2. Traded a 2015 second round pick and marty St.louis a player that only wanted to go to the rangers! for Ryan Callahan two first round draft picks.

3. traded steve dowine getting a 2012 first round draft pick that turned into Andrei Vasilevskiy!!!

4. Signed a unknown in tyler Johnson and drafted palat in the 7th round!

5. grabbed kucherov in the second round in the 2011 draft after he fell due to people thinking he would stay in Russia.

6. when this team for like 7 years could not find a goalie all of the sudden yzerman has 4 pretty darn good ones! Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Gudlevskis, Nabokov if Wilcox signs 5.

7. Was able to sign stralman to a nice 5 year contract when others got over paid along with filppula the year before.

8. how can you question what stamkos is going to do ? I doubt he is leaving yzerman will pay him what his market worth is! plus this team is headed north getting better not going south getting worse.

 

[xteesy]

this is stupid!! ok I give him a pass on guy boucher! why ? because was he really going to get a good vet nhl coach for a team that was going to a long rebuilding mode with nothing in the minors in 2010! Yzerman has made a few mistakes lindback,Boucher, Carle! but let's look at the good!

1. Traded cory conacher and a 4th round draft pick for Ben Bishop!

2. Traded a 2015 second round pick and marty St.louis a player that only wanted to go to the rangers! for Ryan Callahan two first round draft picks.

3. traded steve dowine getting a 2012 first round draft pick that turned into Andrei Vasilevskiy!!!

4. Signed a unknown in tyler Johnson and drafted palat in the 7th round!

5. grabbed kucherov in the second round in the 2011 draft after he fell due to people thinking he would stay in Russia.

6. when this team for like 7 years could not find a goalie all of the sudden yzerman has 4 pretty darn good ones! Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Gudlevskis, Nabokov if Wilcox signs 5.

7. Was able to sign stralman to a nice 5 year contract when others got over paid along with filppula the year before.

8. how can you question what stamkos is going to do ? I doubt he is leaving yzerman will pay him what his market worth is! plus this team is headed north getting better not going south getting worse.

This is a logical post Todd.

We're not dealing with someone who uses logic in this thread.

 

[walle]

well your #1 point is the only one which matters. Yzerman should get fired if he tries to ride Coop for too long. New coach for next season should buy Y new life

 

[chasespace]

well your #1 point is the only one which matters. Yzerman should get fired if he tries to ride Coop for too long. New coach for next season should buy Y new life

Why? Cooper is a good coach and he's clearly showing he's willing to try mixing things up to try to get the team out of it's current funk.

 

[IdealisticSniper]

well your #1 point is the only one which matters. Yzerman should get fired if he tries to ride Coop for too long. New coach for next season should buy Y new life

Yeah! We are tired of this .600+ winning percentage. Get rid of him and find someone else!

 

[MattM92]

well your #1 point is the only one which matters. Yzerman should get fired if he tries to ride Coop for too long. New coach for next season should buy Y new life

GM's don't get an unlimited number of do-overs. Firing Cooper and hiring a 3rd coach in 6 years would actually put Yzerman on the hotseat, not take him off of it.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

If Stevie Y fails to sign Stammer, it will be an interesting situati....

Nah, it's not happening.

 

[The Gongshow]

Fire EVERYONE! #Logic #Rebuild #BecauseWhyNot #Hashtag

 

[2MinutesforGiraffing]

Fire EVERYONE! #Logic #Rebuild #BecauseWhyNot #Hashtag

Did I accidentally stumble into the Leafs board?

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Is he fired yet?

 

[CarpeNoctem]

The biggest strike against him? MATT CARLE. Guy is a bleeping nightmare, anywhere on the ice. He's a bigger bust than Kate Upton.

 

[HoseEmDown]

The biggest strike against him? MATT CARLE. Guy is a bleeping nightmare, anywhere on the ice. He's a bigger bust than Kate Upton.

Disagree. Carle has his struggles but we had nobody who could play the minutes he did the past few seasons. Our defensive depth was atrocious before Carle came in and he solidified our top 4. We'd be in much worse shape the past few seasons without him. This year he has been pushed down which is good and his struggles have continued which is a worry but you can't discount what he did the previous years.

 

[ultra63]

The biggest strike against him? MATT CARLE. Guy is a bleeping nightmare, anywhere on the ice. He's a bigger bust than Kate Upton.

Signing goalies past their expiration dates is another flaw.

 

[Coopers Gum]

Yeah, pretty much the only flaw I can think of against him is the whole goalie thing. But even that is hard to blame him for.

 

[CupsOverCash]

The team is in first place in their division. A couple seasons ago we were picking top 3. Yzerman has done an amazing job rebuilding this team since the ECF season. We may head back there soon if the team keeps growing like it should.

 

[More 2004]

You guys are hilarious with these threads lately.. Were none of you fans in the 90s?

 

[tattooedsean]

Did I accidentally stumble into the Leafs board?

well said.

 

[odin1981]

What has SteveY done to you?

Maybe he was a Avs fan back in the days.

Seriously though If by some reason this improbability where to happen Detroit would gladly take the Captain back off your hands.