The Armchair GM Thread - Soon We Can Hockey

[arttk]

The right way is to not play like Derek Dorsett, if Virtanen ends up playing like Dorsett then he'll be the biggest bust we have in the last 20+ years.


Higgins was signed when the salary crap was like 6M lower. We've seen that salary crap increases does not affect the pay rate of 4th line players because paying them more is not worth it.

Dorsett along with Prust are like the highest paid 4th liners in the league providing average 4th liner production making 3rd line money.

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[Pip]

Dorsett and Prust are not replacing guys at the top of the roster… they're replacing guys at the bottom of the roster. I don't think it's hard to see why they'd rather have young guys being mentored by Prust than Shawn Matthias or Zack Kassian.

Why do we need fourth line mentors? We have extremely hard working and class act players on our roster already. Zack Kassian and Shawn Matthias helped us score more goals than the other team. You know, the point of hockey and their impact on the game was not properly replaced.

I don't think there's anything much worse for prospect development than being on a crappy team.

 

[arttk]

Dorsett and Prust are not replacing guys at the top of the roster… they're replacing guys at the bottom of the roster. I don't think it's hard to see why they'd rather have young guys being mentored by Prust than Shawn Matthias or Zack Kassian.

Matthias and Kassian can actually play hockey. You can actually have mentors that are not on the 4th line you know?

 

[Huggy]

Why do we need fourth line mentors? We have extremely hard working and class act players on our roster already. Zack Kassian and Shawn Matthias helped us score more goals than the other team. You know, the point of hockey. I don't think there's anything much worse for prospect development than being on a crappy team.

Being on a team full of whiners like Zack Kassian

 

[FroshaugFan2]

"Mentorship" has become more important than scoring goals. Strange times.

 

[arttk]

"Mentorship" has become more important than scoring goals. Strange times.

I think that is the only thing some posters can cling to.

Mentoring the kids all the way to the bottom of the standings.

 

[Huggy]

"Mentorship" has become more important than scoring goals. Strange times.

For our 3rd and 4th lines, yes that's the new "goal"

 

[arsmaster*]

Ironic when Dorsett was one of the softest player in the Calgary series.

There is a reason why Dorsett gets less minutes, he cannot handle it. Not sure why that is hard to understand.

There is nothing inspiring watching Dorsett chase pucks around the ice like a headless chicken. We need our kids to learn how to play smart hockey and be good hockey players. We don't need our kids to learn from guys who suck at the very thing they are paid to do.

7 hits in game one. 5 hits in game 2. 4 hits in the last 4 games of the series.

 

[Scurr]

Why do we need fourth line mentors? We have extremely hard working and class act players on our roster already. Zack Kassian and Shawn Matthias helped us score more goals than the other team. You know, the point of hockey and their impact on the game was not properly replaced.

I don't think there's anything much worse for prospect development than being on a crappy team.

Prust and Dorsett have both played important roles on good teams. Have Kassian or Matthias?

The right way is to not play like Derek Dorsett, if Virtanen ends up playing like Dorsett then he'll be the biggest bust we have in the last 20+ years.

Matthias and Kassian are both busts. Meanwhile, Dorsett and Prust have both exceeded expectations in their career's. Working hard isn't going to make JV less talented.

 

[FroshaugFan2]

Prust and Dorsett have both played important roles on good teams. Have Kassian or Matthias?



Matthias and Kassian are both busts. Meanwhile, Dorsett and Prust have both exceeded expectations in their career's.

A second round pick who has played 400+ games before turning 28 and scored 18 goals last season is now a "bust".

The Canucks sure could do with drafting some more "busts".

 

[arsmaster*]

A second round pick who has played 400+ games and scored 18 goals last season is now a "bust".

The Canucks sure could do with drafting some more "busts".

Making the NHL exceeded expectations. LOL.

These guys are trying pretty hard to sound silly.

Not to mention, never cracked 20 goals in any league ever including junior, Brandon Prust was a 3rd round pick. 47th vs 70th overall....at least Matthias has multiple double digit goal seasons in the NHL.

 

[Scurr]

A second round pick who has played 400+ games and scored 18 goals last season is now a "bust".

The Canucks sure could do with drafting some more "busts".

Matthias has the talent to be more than a bottom 6 "goalscorer" on bad teams imo. I'm not a fan of the way he plays.

 

[pitseleh]

I disagree with your premise Scurr, but why pick Matthias and Kassian when they are also replacing Richardson? You're loading the question to support your narrative.

 

[Intangibos]

Sedins, Burrows, Higgins, Vrbata (maybe, questionable playoffs but he does work hard and will get involved physically much like Samuelsson, Hansen, Richardson. These are all guys who I would love to mentor our young forwards. Sedins are two of the hardest working players in the NHL, they take a beating every night and still put up points, all while being two of the classiest guys in the league. We didn't need Kassian to be a mentor, we needed the Sedins mentoring Kassian instead of Dorsett. Dorsett is a completely different player than Kassian, but the Sedins are like a much better version of Kassian.

We don't need to load up on mentorship, we have one of the better lockerrooms in the league IMO, we need to load up on players who actually belong in the NHL.

 

[Scurr]

I disagree with your premise Scurr, but why pick Matthias and Kassian when they are also replacing Richardson? You're loading the question to support your narrative.

Because they play the wing and Richardson plays centre. Maybe Prust gets the 4C spot? IDK how you can be seen as replacing someone that plays a different position.

 

[Scurr]

Sedins, Burrows, Higgins, Vrbata (maybe, questionable playoffs but he does work hard and will get involved physically much like Samuelsson, Hansen, Richardson. These are all guys who I would love to mentor our young forwards. Sedins are two of the hardest working players in the NHL, they take a beating every night and still put up points, all while being two of the classiest guys in the league. We didn't need Kassian to be a mentor, we needed the Sedins mentoring Kassian instead of Dorsett. Dorsett is a completely different player than Kassian, but the Sedins are like a much better version of Kassian.

The twins and Kassian have talent in common. The twins and Dorsett have hard word and commitment in common. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting all your veteran players to have hard work and commitment in common.

We don't need to load up on mentorship, we have one of the better lockerrooms in the league IMO, we need to load up on players who actually belong in the NHL.

Prust and Dorsett have both played important roles on good teams. Have Kassian or Matthias?

 

[pitseleh]

Because they play the wing and Richardson plays centre. Maybe Prust gets the 4C spot? IDK how you can be seen as replacing someone that plays a different position.

Richardson was mostly a winger before he joined the Canucks.

The point more broadly is that there are tons of hard working players that aren't Kassian and Matthias, if you don't like them, that could have been signed for similar or less money and provided both any mentorship the team thinks they need from the bottom end of their roster while also providing more or better value to the team.

Either the team overvalues Dorsett and Prust as players, or they overvalue fighting.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Higgins isnt hard working in the sense that he's ineffectual in the playoffs . At this point of his career he looks a bit scared to go into the dirty areas and work to get to the front of the net. He isn't the hardest on ice worker, that's for sure.

 

[Intangibos]

Richardson also played an important role on a cup winning team. Have Prust or Dorsett won cups? I mean if you want to get into arbitrary metrics for how valuable a player is, there is no metric more arbitrary than cup wins. Usually a favorite for people who talk about muh grit and toughness, trying to explain why depth players are better than the Sedins.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Richardson also played an important role on a cup winning team. Have Prust or Dorsett won cups? I mean if you want to get into arbitrary metrics for how valuable a player is, there is no metric more arbitrary than cup wins. Usually a favorite for people who talk about muh grit and toughness, trying to explain why depth players are better than the Sedins.

Richardson was a healthy scratch during the 2012 cup run IIRC

 

[Intangibos]

Richardson was a healthy scratch during the 2012 cup run IIRC

He played 13 games in 2012 and 11 in 2013 post seasons. Didn't LA win in like 18? He played the majority of the games.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Prust and Dorsett have both played important roles on good teams. Have Kassian or Matthias?

Matthias and Kassian are both busts. Meanwhile, Dorsett and Prust have both exceeded expectations in their career's. Working hard isn't going to make JV less talented.

You know who works really, really hard? 99% of the players who are full time NHL'ers.

You need to change your definition of the word bust as well.

 

[Proto]

Higgins isnt hard working in the sense that he's ineffectual in the playoffs . At this point of his career he looks a bit scared to go into the dirty areas and work to get to the front of the net. He isn't the hardest on ice worker, that's for sure.

True, he's not a noted playoff performer like Prust and Dorsett.

This is up there with your "NTC" shtick that mysteriously disappeared.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Higgins isnt hard working in the sense that he's ineffectual in the playoffs .

At this point of his career he looks a bit scared to go into the dirty areas and work to get to the front of the net. He isn't the hardest on ice worker, that's for sure.

Strange, because he was the 5th best player against the Flames in terms of shot attempt differential. But again, you've disclosed your bias towards Higgins numerous times, so this is kind of a moot point.

Also, can you quantify the bolded, or is this just baseless?

 

[arttk]

Strange, because he was the 5th best player against the Flames in terms of shot attempt differential. But again, you've disclosed your bias towards Higgins numerous times, so this is kind of a moot point.

Also, can you quantify the bolded, or is this just baseless?

To be honest he will pull a 180 regarding Higgins if Benning decides to extend him.

Just looked at how he flipped with Bonino.