Reverend Mayhem
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are you implying that i dont have a basis for calling THoR a pile of trash because i haven't worked on something better, or just musing?
Not bashing you, that's all I'll say.
are you implying that i dont have a basis for calling THoR a pile of trash because i haven't worked on something better, or just musing?
Meat&Potatoes/60, GRIT Rel, etc.
Benning said:until you can quantify courage and character
dellow was probably the best overall analytics guy online and he was a lawyer
in fact, every time there's truly academic work on hockey, it's all garbage. remember THoR?
Didn't analytics bring up Keith Ballard, David Booth, Marco Sturm, etc?
Didn't analytics bring up Keith Ballard, David Booth, Marco Sturm, etc?
Canucks were already ahead of the curve, what these recent hirings tell me is that there were some teams that had next to nothing in terms of analytics and are now playing catch-up. As Linden said, he believes the Canucks have one of the most cutting edge analytic departments in the league and will continue to do so under Gilman's direction. We know the Leafs were way behind in this area, all you have to do is look at their recent signings and roster decisions.
And I completely agree with Benning when he says it's much more useful at the NHL level than at the JR level. There are so many more variables like physical maturity, quality of competition, etc. That is to say, a bad scout will always be a bad scout, regardless of how much analytic info he has because the numbers mean nothing if you don't have a deep understanding of hockey and what you're actually watching on the ice.
analytics are a thing that are useful everywhere. they're useful in life, they're useful in posting, they're useful in driving or sports or flying planes or logistics for large companies. they are just as useful at the pro level as they are at the jr level. a dropoff in application is entirely because people like benning can't understand that to get a good result from something like analysis, you have to actually do things instead of just hoping numbers fall out of the sky in an ordered fashion
I get the same feeling about Benning.
I personally feel like we're behind the curve when it comes to advanced analytics. Sure, we don't completely ignore them, but we're definitely under-utilizing them.
I think Toronto has taken big steps in the right direction and once it starts paying dividends for them, other teams will take notice.
I feel like Gillis started out with this progressive thinking mindset but it all fell apart after the 2011 Finals loss.
It's too bad really, Gillis had some really forward thinking ideas (sleep doctors, specialty trainers, etc) but he completely abandoned everything that made him and the Canucks a success and overreacted to the loss in 2011, ultimately making blunder after blunder.
There was a time when the Canucks were the class of the league, (progressive thinking, great reputation - we had free agents picking US as their top destination - remember Sundin?) and now I feel like we're just another member of the pack.
Jesus... and Santorelli, Erhoff, Tanev...
... Booth still has good analytics and I think he's going to be great on a north/south team.
Benning on adv. stats:
Sounds like he's a fan of using them for pro level scouting, but prefers more of a gut feeling for amateur scouting.
Didn't analytics bring up Keith Ballard, David Booth, Marco Sturm, etc?
analytics are a thing that are useful everywhere. they're useful in life, they're useful in posting, they're useful in driving or sports or flying planes or logistics for large companies. they are just as useful at the pro level as they are at the jr level. a dropoff in application is entirely because people like benning can't understand that to get a good result from something like analysis, you have to actually do things instead of just hoping numbers fall out of the sky in an ordered fashion
Linden specifically said on team 1040 that Gilman is big on analytics and involving "cutting-edge" tactics that he won't discuss on the team 1040. Good teams do not divulge their analytic tactics, unlike Toronto who announces these "sexy" hires.
Jesus... and Santorelli, Erhoff, Tanev...
... Booth still has good analytics and I think he's going to be great on a north/south team.
Booth has good analytics.
Ballard though I really have wonder what was going on there. His corsi numbers have never been great and are often weak. The year before we traded for him he posted a 42.3% corsi at ES. That is about as anti-advanced stats as you can get.
Booth has good analytics - relatively speaking he is a poster boy but he fails to turn the numbers into results.
Ballard though I really have wonder what was going on there. His corsi numbers have never been great and are often weak. The year before we traded for him he posted a 42.3% corsi at ES. That is about as anti-advanced stats as you can get. Poster boy for someone you don't get based on advanced stats.
The real question here is...
Does being "ahead of the curve" in embracing "advanced analytics" put you "ahead of the curve" on the ice?
Someone needs to make a stat for that....
Benning on adv. stats:
Sounds like he's a fan of using them for pro level scouting, but prefers more of a gut feeling for amateur scouting.