The 2019-20 Around the League Thread, Pt. II

[MS]

San Jose could be in a really really bad place right now. Locked up veterans to longterm contracts, while lacking the horses needed to compete in the near term. That could be one of those worst case scenario's that takes a half dozen plus years to unwind.

To not have their 1st rd pick this hear could be catastrophic as well. This draft is tremendous...

Like every team, they’ll be in a bad place when their window closes. Nobody is arguing this.

But they’re still a team with Meier, Hertl, Couture, Kane, and Labanc all 30 or under up front and arguably the two best offensive defenders in the NHL on the blueline. They’re far from a spent force right now. Their goaltending is a problem and their very good younger forwards have had rough starts. And they’ve also been the inverse of us with a very tough schedule to start the season. There will be a righting of the ship there.

 

[Melvin]

Like every team, they’ll be in a bad place when their window closes. Nobody is arguing this.

But they’re still a team with Meier, Hertl, Couture, Kane, and Labanc all 30 or under up front and arguably the two best offensive defenders in the NHL on the blueline. They’re far from a spent force right now. Their goaltending is a problem and their very good younger forwards have had rough starts. And they’ve also been the inverse of us with a very tough schedule to start the season. There will be a righting of the ship there.

I'll argue against it.

People have been saying ThEiR WinDoW haS ClosED for about a decade, but Doug Wilson has proven over and over again that the very concept of "windows" doesn't really apply when you know what you're doing. I remember all the schadenfreude posts in here when they missed the playoffs in 2015, "the window slammed shut." They made the finals the next year.

The Sharks will be fine. They might miss the playoffs, regroup and then be right back in the thick of things next year. Unless they fire Wilson and replace him with Chia or something.

 

[MS]

I'll argue against it.

People have been saying ThEiR WinDoW haS ClosED for about a decade, but Doug Wilson has proven over and over again that the very concept of "windows" doesn't really apply when you know what you're doing. I remember all the schadenfreude posts in here when they missed the playoffs in 2015, "the window slammed shut." They made the finals the next year.

The Sharks will be fine. They might miss the playoffs, regroup and then be right back in the thick of things next year. Unless they fire Wilson and replace him with Chia or something.

Agreed in the next year or two but the long-term picture for their blueline doesn’t look great once Burns ages out of elite status. If Wilson can keep that team trucking through that, kudos.

And yeah, people have been predicting San Jose’s demise since about 2011. It is hilarious at this point.

 

[Jyrki21]

The Sharks will be fine. They might miss the playoffs, regroup and then be right back in the thick of things next year. Unless they fire Wilson and replace him with Chia or something.

It would be very Canucks for Wilson to become available on the market while they cling to Benning.

 

[krutovsdonut]

And yeah, people have been predicting San Jose’s demise since about 2011. It is hilarious at this point.

guilty.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

What is going on with Jared McCann?

He started the year playing 15-17 minutes a night, yet after the Penguins suffered a bunch of injuries to their forwards he's been down in the 10-13 minute range the past couple weeks. Would have expected his minutes to rise into the high teens with all that opportunity...

He’s not very good

 

[MS]

He’s not very good

More goals than Ferland and Pearson combined have provided for $8 million.

 

[Pip]

Yep. McCann is washed. It is also too early to give up on Virtanen/Juolevi.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

More goals than Ferland and Pearson combined have provided for $8 million.

Ferland who has played like dogshyte for most of the year STILL has more points than McCann. And no one who knows hockey can say with a straight face that McCann can bring what Pearson has brought this year. Pearson is just a fantastic player and worth every penny of his deal.

 

[timw33]

Not if we want to re-sign our ELCs.



Probably what we should be doing with Markstrom and Demko, and continue to do until the expansion draft at which point you’d expose Markstrom unless Demko goes off the rails.

We absolutely should be 50/50 platooning Demko/Markstrom so that we can get a good assessment of what we have in Demko long term, and to drive down Markstrom's FA leverage by relying on him less desperately.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Holy shit I just realized how f***ed the Sharks are.

Couture - NTC
Kane - NTC
Meier - $10m QO
Karlsson - NMC
Burns - NTC
Vlasic - NMC
Jones - NMC

Does this remind you of anything?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Holy **** I just realized how ****ed the Sharks are.

Couture - NTC
Kane - NTC
Meier - $10m QO
Karlsson - NMC
Burns - NTC
Vlasic - NMC
Jones - NMC

Does this remind you of anything?

Post cup run Canucks under Mike Gillis?
Like no one is saying he is a bad GM just like no one is blaming DW

 

[MS]

Holy **** I just realized how ****ed the Sharks are.

Couture - NTC
Kane - NTC
Meier - $10m QO
Karlsson - NMC
Burns - NTC
Vlasic - NMC
Jones - NMC

Does this remind you of anything?

Holy shit! You're right!

It's almost the same number of NTCs/NMCs as Jim Benning has given out on the current Canuck team!

(actually we have 8 and they only have 6)

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

More goals than Ferland and Pearson combined have provided for $8 million.

You should try to watch some Pens game
McCann has some intensity issues, he likes to occasionally coast on the ice

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Holy ****! You're right!

It's almost the same number of NTCs/NMCs as Jim Benning has given out on the current Canuck team!

(actually we have 8 and they only have 6)

Eriksson
Edler
Myers
And ???
Unless you are also counting the Modified one which is a complete different story

 

[MS]

You should try to watch some Pens game
McCann has some intensity issues, he likes to occasionally coast on the ice

He's a cheap, versatile two-way middle-6 forward on pace for 30-35 ES points again. He's a good player and we could definitely use him here. The extent to which the predictable accounts here are going to run him down is just comical.

 

[MS]

Eriksson
Edler
Myers
And ???
Unless you are also counting the Modified one which is a complete different story

Edler - NMC
Myers - NMC
Ferland - NMC
Eriksson - NMC
Sutter - MNTC
Roussel - MNTC
Beagle - MNTC
Tanev - MNTC

The previous posters also counting MNTCs to Jones, Burns, Kane, and Couture on SJ.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

He's a cheap, versatile two-way middle-6 forward on pace for 30-35 ES points again. He's a good player and we could definitely use him here. The extent to which the predictable accounts here are going to run him down is just comical.

I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but hes getting overrated on this board because we traded him for Gudbranson.
In reality, the guy is just a cheap bottom 6 forever that most teams have.
He also won’t be cheap forever, someone is going to overpay him on his next contract because he is a “former 1st round pick.

 

[MS]

I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but hes getting overrated on this board because we traded him for Gudbranson.
In reality, the guy is just a cheap bottom 6 forever that most teams have.
He also won’t be cheap forever, someone is going to overpay him on his next contract because he is a “former 1st round pick.

He's put up 2nd line numbers at ES for the last two years. He's better than a 'bottom 6 forever'.

Again, good player, good asset. Nobody is saying he's a superstar. But that was a horrific trade and the extent to which the usual suspects are going to try and run McCann down to protect Benning is laughable.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Holy ****! You're right!

It's almost the same number of NTCs/NMCs as Jim Benning has given out on the current Canuck team!

(actually we have 8 and they only have 6)

The Sharks have a total of 40 years and $315 million dollars (!!!) tied up in NTC’s/NMC’s given to declining players who in a lot of cases look terrible.

The Canucks have 18 years and $82 million in NTCs which were largely given to players in their prime and capable of contributing for most if not all of their contracts - only one of whom looks terrible

Not even remotely comparable

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Edler - NMC
Myers - NMC
Ferland - NMC
Eriksson - NMC
Sutter - MNTC
Roussel - MNTC
Beagle - MNTC
Tanev - MNTC

The previous posters also counting MNTCs to Jones, Burns, Kane, and Couture on SJ.

Fair enough
But out of all those contracts, the highest cap hit is 6m with three players making that number, and only Eriksson hasn’t earn that so far.

The highest term left is Myers 5 years, he’ll be 34 by the end. Other contracts will all be expired in 2-3 years. Not to mention everyone except Eriksson are still in their prime or useful.

I would rather have Vancouver’s situation

 

[MS]

The Sharks have a total of 40 years and $315 million dollars (!!!) tied up in NTC’s/NMC’s given to declining players who in a lot of cases look terrible.

The Canucks have 18 years and $82 million in NTCs which were largely given to players in their prime and capable of contributing for most if not all of their contracts - only one of whom looks terrible

Not even remotely comparable

The biggest reason they're not comparable is that the NTCs SJ has given out are to actual good players. And when you have good players who turn 27 or so, NTC/NMCs are basically automatic at that point for every team in the league.

What other teams have Michael Ferland, Brandon Sutter, Jay Beagle, and Antoine Roussel on 4-5 year NTCs?

 

[John Belushi]

The Canucks have 18 years and $82 million in NTCs which were largely given to players in their prime and capable of contributing for most if not all of their contracts - only one of whom looks terrible

Not even remotely comparable

You're correct. It isn't comparable. Sharks have locked up top players like Couture, Burns, Karlsson while we've cornered the market on middling scrubs like Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle and Ferland.

I'm of the opinion that San Jose's poor start is an aberration and they'll recover this year if not the next. At least they've shown a propensity for seeking out and retaining top talent - while the Nucks settle for the second-rate.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

You're correct. It isn't comparable. Sharks have locked up top players like Couture, Burns, Karlsson while we've cornered the market on middling scrubs like Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle and Ferland.

I'm of the opinion that San Jose's poor start is an aberration and they'll recover this year if not the next. At least they've shown a propensity for seeking out and retaining top talent - while the Nucks settle for the second-rate.

I won’t disagree with you on the potential of bounce back performances from Karlsson, Burns, and Vlasic but they are on the wrong side of 30 and their injuries are catching up to them - the writing is on the wall. The Sharks do have some good recently drafted guys in Meier, Hertl, and Labanc which is a lot more youth backup than the Canucks had during the Sedins’ decline. But the writing is still on the wall. They won’t be good in a few years when Kane and Couture are in their mid 30s and they have no elite talent up front and their already old defenders each get a few years older.

The Sharks are going to be a dinosaur aged team in a young man’s league. Their construction runs very counter to the league trend right now and they run the major risk of being embarassed because of it.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

The biggest reason they're not comparable is that the NTCs SJ has given out are to actual good players. And when you have good players who turn 27 or so, NTC/NMCs are basically automatic at that point for every team in the league.

What other teams have Michael Ferland, Brandon Sutter, Jay Beagle, and Antoine Roussel on 4-5 year NTCs?

Should have never resigned good players in their early 30s (Burn, Vlasic) to long term deal