Prospect Info: The 2015 NHL Entry Draft Part III

S E P H · Apr 6, 2015

[NOTE: For poll, I again took Bob McKenzie's Midterm rankings and added a couple more players who are having good 2nd half seasons, these are players that should be around the 35th to 47th]

Part I: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1731377
Part II: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1825265

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landy92mack29 · Apr 6, 2015

A lot of good options for the early 2nd pick.

tigervixxxen · Apr 6, 2015

landy92mack29 said:
A lot of good options for the early 2nd pick.

Agreed. I'm pretty excited for that pick. A few options not listed Meloche, N Roy. I guess would be considered a fall if DeBrusk or Chabot were there but think it's possible they or Carlo, J Roy, Zboril could. That's where moving up a couple spots in the draft order could make a difference.

One last on the Russian thing. All the logic in the world could be brought out and it doesn't change the fact that until they draft one then they don't draft them. Hell, if they even signed a Russian FA would point in a positive direction and that hasn't happened either.

Foppa2118 · Apr 6, 2015

tigervixxxen said:
Agreed. I'm pretty excited for that pick. A few options not listed Meloche, N Roy. I guess would be considered a fall if DeBrusk or Chabot were there but think it's possible they or Carlo, J Roy, Zboril could. That's where moving up a couple spots in the draft order could make a difference.

One last on the Russian thing. All the logic in the world could be brought out and it doesn't change the fact that until they draft one then they don't draft them. Hell, if they even signed a Russian FA would point in a positive direction and that hasn't happened either.

Well it's a pretty safe bet they had strong interest in Kulikov, so that's a start.

I thought I remembered hearing they were one of the teams in on Komarov too, but he's more of a Fin I suppose. Same goes for Barkov who they would have drafted ahead of Jones. Maybe Barkov and Komarov combined = 1 Russian. :laugh:

avsfan09 · Apr 6, 2015

Here's my perspective on the Russian issue:
I think Provorov playing in the CHL removes a lot of the worry and makes him alot easier to scout and project.

If he was overseas I would 100% agree that he wont be picked. Them looking heavily at Barkov and the scouring of Europe make. me believe that Nationality is going to be less of an issue with the new regime.

cgf · Apr 6, 2015

Again the biggest concern for the teams who avoid russians isn't that they're too cheap to scout them...at least not in most cases...anymore...but because russian players have better alternatives to the NHL that would allow them to pursue an enjoyable and lucrative career playing hockey than do their canadian or american counterparts. Neither of those nationalities can leave the NHL to go home and make more money.

Some teams don't worry about this at all, while others make way too big of a deal out of it, at least with russian kids with work ethic and a compatibility with North American culture. But this is the "Russian Factor"; not that it's harder to send a scout across the ocean than across a great lake.

avsfan09 · Apr 6, 2015

Scouting the CHL is definitely easier and more cost efficient. There are more.draft eligibles.

cgf · Apr 6, 2015

That's still not what is meant by the russian factor, nor is it the reason why some teams just avoid russians in the draft altogether.

StayAtHomeAv · Apr 7, 2015

Other: Carlo if we go F with 1st, Greenway if we go D with 1st.

avsfan09 · Apr 7, 2015

We were discussing the Avs and management possibly passing Provorov:Not the Russian factor.

cgf · Apr 7, 2015

TV brought up that some teams take the russian factor seriously and just won't have russians high on their draft board because of it. Not saying that we were necessarily one of those teams or that this will have any bearing on us picking or passing on Provorov; but that was what you responded to when I first responded to you.

Hasbro · Apr 7, 2015

Dammit Columbus! You can't hold on for another 30 seconds?! :madfire:

tigervixxxen · Apr 7, 2015

avsfan09 said:
We were discussing the Avs and management possibly passing Provorov:Not the Russian factor.

It's the same thing. We don't know why they've passed on Russians for 10 years. Logic isn't going to explain an illogical situation. I hate feeling like I'm pushing this, like I'm the one who doesn't like Russians, which couldn't be further from the truth. It's just difficult for me to have a discussion without managing expectations. I think it's important to know is all. Maybe change starts this year, who knows.

The Mars Volchenkov · Apr 7, 2015

Dallas looks like they'll beat San Jose in regulation to move 4 points ahead of the Avs with all the tiebreakers.

BobRossColton · Apr 7, 2015

Could we use our first to get Ryan mcdonagh?

Ararana · Apr 7, 2015

Three games left for us, PHI, and CBJ. CBJ need to pick up 1 pt more than we do in the final three to jump us. PHI has to pick up 2 pts more than us to jump us as they both will likely have the tiebreakers.

COL > NSH, WPG, CHI
CBJ > TOR, BUF, NYI (Second of back to back)
PHI > NYI, CAR, OTT

Then looking above us we have Florida and San Jose (Stars are probably out of the way). Both only have two games left and are three pts ahead.

Florida > BOS, NJ
San Jose > EDM, LA

It's going to be a fun finish (unfortunately for the wrong reasons

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RockLobster · Apr 7, 2015

Ararana said:
Three games left for us, PHI, and CBJ. CBJ need to pick up 1 pt more than we do in the final three to jump us. PHI has to pick up 2 pts more than us to jump us as they both will likely have the tiebreakers.

COL > NSH, WPG, CHI
CBJ > TOR, BUF, NYI (Second of back to back)
PHI > NYI, CAR, OTT

Then looking above us we have Florida and San Jose (Stars are probably out of the way). Both only have two games left and are three pts ahead.

Florida > BOS, NJ
San Jose > EDM, LA

It's going to be a fun finish (unfortunately for the wrong reasons )

I thought the first tie-breaker is Wins, and if so, then Philadelphia needs more points outright, can't tie the Avs and pass them (they have less wins).

Ararana · Apr 7, 2015

Yup your right, just double checked. PHI needs 3 more pts than us which is a tall order with only three games remaining.

tigervixxxen · Apr 7, 2015

It's ROW and Avs have 27, Philly has 29. Having less is better, no?

RockLobster · Apr 7, 2015

tigervixxxen said:
It's ROW and Avs have 27, Philly has 29. Having less is better, no?

So actual Wins doesn't matter? Philly has 32, the Avs have 36. I thought that was the first determination, but I'll admit, I could be wrong.

tigervixxxen · Apr 7, 2015

RockLobster said:
So actual Wins doesn't matter? Philly has 32, the Avs have 36. I thought that was the first determination, but I'll admit, I could be wrong.

No, it's ROW to eliminate shootout wins. We'll "win" the ROW tiebreaker against anyone, though Florida sitting at 28 could become a concern. I don't remember winning that many shootouts compared to the rest of the league but I guess so.

Ararana · Apr 7, 2015

tigervixxxen said:
No, it's ROW to eliminate shootout wins. We'll "win" the ROW tiebreaker against anyone, though Florida sitting at 28 could become a concern.

Awesome, thanks TV. I was sure the WINS columns was the first tiebreaker. Though I can see why they'd want to eliminate shootout wins from that determination.

UncleRisto · Apr 7, 2015

Philly is ahead of us in ROW (29 to 27), hence if we tie in points, they're ahead of us.

RockLobster · Apr 7, 2015

tigervixxxen said:
No, it's ROW to eliminate shootout wins. We'll "win" the ROW tiebreaker against anyone, though Florida sitting at 28 could become a concern. I don't remember winning that many shootouts compared to the rest of the league but I guess so.

Ararana said:
Awesome, thanks TV. I was sure the WINS columns was the first tiebreaker. Though I can see why they'd want to eliminate shootout wins from that determination.

Yes, thanks for this TV. Well then, I guess it's "good news" that I was wrong.

ArWKo · Apr 7, 2015

I had a dream last night that I had missed the draft and was looking through all the picks and saw that the had chosen Crouse with the #9 pick - but then I noticed that they had also traded up into the 7 spot and taken somebody totally off the board (by which I mean my brain put some random name that I've never actually seen listed as a hockey player in there).

Now we wait and see if I'm a prophet of some sort.

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