The 2015 Double-A Draft (sign-up, roster post, everything)

[VanIslander]

The 2015 Double-A Draft
The draft has ended​

The draft will last 25 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards and a coach, with 4 additional picks to be used for whatever position(s) you want.

Make TWO picks PER DAY, anytime during the day after 10:00 a.m. eastern time. If you miss a day, simply make up the picks when you can (e.g., two the following day) or send VanIslander or someone else a shortlist beforehand. The last day of the draft will have one last pick, followed by a two-day add-drop period.

Suggestion: POST A REASON OR STATISTIC OR DESCRIPTION WITH YOUR PICK to aid discussion and let us know a bit about the pick, as many may not be household names, especially from other eras.

Any player from any league or era are eligible as long as they were not at all drafted in the ATD 2015 (that means add/drop are ineligible too), MLD 2015 or AAA 2015.

Player selection should be based on what they have done (the 'next best' draft, so to speak, the greatest all-time careers not honored by being picked in the main ATD 2015 draft, MLD 2015 or AAA 2015), and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that there is a bit of historical hypothetical projection with players whose careers were cut short by injury.

Players could be traded if team needs change. At the end of the draft a team could pick up an undrafted UFA and simply discard a draft pick.

The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following all-time hockey periods:

1916 or earlier
1917-1942
1943-1965
1966-1979
1980-1994
1995-2004
in 2015 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).

Note: I just copied-and-pasted the same rules from two years ago. In 2013 we had a 10-team Double-A draft, including tony d, jkrx, ted1971, ResilientBeast, BubbaBoot, Hedberg, Hobnobs, seventieslord and Rob Scuderi. There are a few new depth draft GMs willing to go this deep. It's nice to see others take a crack.

Sign-Up:

1. VanIslander - South Carolina Stingrays
2. BubbaBoot - Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club
3. tony d - Richmond Riverdogs
4. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets
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[VanIslander]

Double-A Draft

Day 1:

Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Kirk McLean, G, Erich Kuhnhackl, C
South Carolina Stingrays - Richard Brodeur, G, Harry Meeking, LW
Richmond Riverdogs - Cliff Ronning, C, Guy Hebert, G
Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Bill Carson, C, Bill Ezinicki, RW

Day 2:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Butch Keeling, LW, Igor Romishevsky, D
Richmond Riverdogs - Derek King, LW, Randy Manery, D
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Robert Picard, D, Bep Guidolin, LW
South Carolina Stingrays - Max Pacioretty, LW, Thomas Gradin, C

Day 3:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Vyacheslav Anisin, C, Randy Burridge, LW
Richmond Riverdogs - Alex Edler, D, Lowell Macdonald, RW
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Ivan Boldirev, C/LW, Erik Cole, LW
South Carolina Stingrays - Keith Brown, D, Art Jackson, C

Day 4:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Jorgen Pettersson, LW, George Gee, C
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Jakub Voracek, RW, Stew Evans, D
South Carolina Stingrays - Sergei Starikov, D, Igor Stelnov, D
Richmond Riverdogs - Jimmy Carson, C, Muray Henderson, D

Day 5:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Niklas Sundstrom, D, Alex Levinsky, D
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Udo Kiessling, D, Bob Trapp, D
Richmond Riverdogs - Tom Bladon, D, Joe Murphy, RW
South Carolina Stingrays - Jack Brannen, C, Daren Puppa, G

Day 6:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Lee Fogolin, Jr., D, Hal Laycoe, D
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Don Grosso, LW/C, Steve Rucchin, C
Richmond Riverdogs - Alex Kaleta, LW, George Ferguson, C
South Carolina Stingrays - Sergei Svetlov, RW, Anatoli Semenov, C

Day 7:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Dave Reid, LW/C, Martin Rucinsky, LW
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Vladimir Malakhov, D Mike Cammalleri, F
Richmond Riverdogs - Marcus Ragnarsson, D, Claude Ruel, coach
South Carolina Stingrays - Sergei Shepelev, C/LW, Billy Harris, C

Day 8:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Skinner Poulin, C, Al Dewsbury, D
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Harry Sinden, Coach Martin Lapointe, RW
Richmond Riverdogs - Hib Milks, C, PJ Axelsson, LW
South Carolina Stingrays - Dan Maloney, LW, Lorne Henning, LW/C

Day 9:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Jorma Valtonen, G, Pekka Marjamari, D
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Bill Juzda, D Orest Kindrachuk, C
Richmond Riverdogs - Mike Karakas, G, Scott Walker, RW
South Carolina Stingrays - Martin Havlat, W, Leroy Goldsworthy, RW

Day 10:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Gilles Villemure, G, Lasse Oksanen, LW
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Fred Glover, RW, Don Beaupre, G
Richmond Riverdogs - Igor Kravchuk, D, Bruce Ridpath, RW
South Carolina Stingrays - Bryan Murray, coach, Terry Murray, coach

Day 11:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Jimmy Herberts, RW/C, Vladimir Ruzicka, coach
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Val Fonteyne, LW/C, Bud Poile, RW
Carolina Stingrays - Mud Bruneteau, RW, Lee Fogolin, Sr., D
Richmond Riverdogs - Carl Liscombe, LW, Christian Ruutu, C

Day 12:

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club - Dave Creighton, C, Don Sweeney, D, Bill Collins, RW
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets - Jordan Staal, C, Dave Lewis, D, Gord Murphy, D
Richmond Riverdogs - Blake Wheeler, RW, Moe Mantha, D, Dana Murzyn, D
Carolina Stingrays - Rick Smith, D, Curt Giles, D, Rockett Power, D

 

[VanIslander]

Ineligible to be picked:

(mod - edited out post-draft for search function purposes)

 

[VanIslander]

I'll manage the South Carolina Stingrays, the team that was ECHL champions with James Reimer as playoff MVP. The Leafs somehow thought the third-tier league hero was NHL worthy and he has been losing games in Toronto ever since.

coaches Bryan & Terry Murray

Harry Meeking - Anatoli Semenov - Sergei Svetlov
Max Pacioretty - Thomas Gradin - Martin Havlat
Dan Maloney - Art Jackson - Mud Bruneteau
Lorne Henning - Jack Brannen - Leroy Goldsworthy
Sergei Shepelev, Billy Harris

Sergei Starikov - Igor Stelnov
Rockett Power- Keith Brown
Rick Smith - Curt Giles
Lee Fogolin, Sr.

Richard Brodeur
Daren Puppa
​

 

[BubbaBoot]

Boston Pere Marquette Hockey Club
(United States Amateur Hockey Association / one season - 1921-22 / 3rd place)

coach: Vladimir Ruzicka

Butch Keeling - Bill Carson - Lasse Oksanen
Jorgen Pettersson - Vyacheslav Anisin - Bill Ezinicki
Martin Rucinsky - George Gee - Niklas Sundstrom
Dave Reid - Skinner Poulin - Bill Collins

Hal Laycoe - Igor Romishevsky
Al Dewsbury - Alex Levinsky
Pekka Marjamaki - Lee Fogolin, Jr.

Jorma Valtonen
Gilles Villemure

spares
Randy Burridge - LW
Dave Creighton - CTR
Jimmy Herbert(s) - RW / CTR
Don Sweeney - DEF


- PP1 -
Martin Rucinsky - Vyacheslav Anisin - Lasse Oksanen
Pekka Marjamaki - Igor Romishevsky

- PP2 -
Jorgen Pettersson - Bill Carson - George Gee / Bill Ezinicki
Al Dewsbury - Alex Levinsky

- PK1 -
Dave Reid - Niklas Sundstrom
Hal Laycoe - Lee Fogolin, Jr

- PK2 -
George Gee - Bill Collins
Al Dewsbury - Alex Levinsky


Draft

|1| - ctr/lw - Bill Carson ||6| - lw - Randy Burridge ||11| - def - Lee Fogolin, Jr.||16| - def - Al Dewsbury ||21| - rw - Jimmy Herbert(s)
|2| - rw - Bill Ezinicki||7| - lw - Jorgen Pettersson ||12| - def - Hal Laycoe ||17| - gk - Jorma Valtonen ||22| - coach - Vladimir Ruzicka
|3| - lw - Butch Keeling ||8| - ctr - George Gee ||13| -lw - Dave Reid||18| - def - Pekka Marjamaki ||23| - ctr - Dave Creighton
|4| - def - Igor Romishevsky||9| - rw - Niklas Sundstrom ||14| - lw - Martin Rucinsky ||19| - rw - Lasse Oksanen ||24| - def - Don Sweeney
|5| - ctr - Vyacheslav Anisin ||10| -def - Alex Levinsky||15| - ctr - Skinner Poulin ||20| - Gilles Villmure - ||25| - rw - Bill Collins

Era

|1916 or earlier | Skinner Poulin |
|1917-1942 | Bill Carson / Butch Keeling / Alex Levinsky / Jimmy Herbert(s) |
|1943-1965 | Bill Ezinicki / George Gee / Hal Laycoe / Al Dewsbury / Dave Creighton |
|1966-1979 | Igor Romishevsky / Lee Fogolin, Jr. / Pekka Marjamaki / Jorma Valtonen / Gilles Villemure / Lasse Oksanen / Bill Collins |
|1980-1994 | Vyacheslav Anisin / Jorgen Pettersson / Randy Burridge / Dave Reid |
|1995-2004 | Niklas Sundstrom / Don Sweeney|
|2005 - current | Martin Rucinsky |

Achievements

STANLEY CUPS | STANLEY CUP Players | HALL OF FAME |ALL-STAR Teams|All-STAR Games|VEZINA TROPHY
14 |9 | (USSR) 2 |1st-0 |12 |1 | | | |
| | (USSR) coach |2nd- | |AHL MVP| | | |
MEMORIAL CUPS |MEMORIAL CUP Players | (FINLAND) coach |AHL – 5 | |3 | | | |
4 | 4 | (FINLAND) player 2 |WORLDS - 4 | |FINNISH FORWARD of the YEAR |||
| |(IIHF) coach |WCs Jr - 2 | |1 | | | |
CALDER CUP |SWEDISH TITLES |(IIHF) player 2 |SWEDEN - | |FINNISH PLAYER of the YEAR |||
4 |1 | |RUSSIA - 3 | |3 | | |
| | |FINLAND - 15 | |BEST GOALKEEPER FINLAND|||
ALLAN CUP |RUSSIAN TITLES | |CAHL - | |5||||
1 |17 | |EAHL - 1 | |BEST GOALKEEPER WORLDs|||
| | |WHL - 2 | |1||||
FINNISH TITLES |YUGOSLAV TITLES | |OHA Sr - 1(1st) 3(2n | |BESTDEFESEMAN WORLDs|||
8 |1 | |NCAA - 1 | |1|||
| | |ECAC - 1 | |BEST DEFENSEMAN SM-Sarja|||
CZECH TITLES |ITALY TITLES | |IVY - 2 | |1 |||
2 |2 | | | |BEST FORWARD WJrC
| | | | |1
CIAU TITLES | PCHA | | | |
2 |2 | | | |
|||||
ECAC |CPHA ||||
1 |1 ||||
|||||
medals|WORLDS|JR WORLDS|OLYMPICS|EUROPEAN| JR EUROPEAN |
gold | 13 |- |4 |3 |2 |
silver| 2 |2 |- |2 |-||| 1
bronze | 2 |2 |1 |- |- |||

 

[tony d]

I'll join as the Richmond Riverdogs:

Derek King-Cliff Ronning-Lowell Macdonald
Alex Kaleta-Jimmy Carson-Joe Murphy
PJ Axelsson-George Ferguson-Scott Walker
Carl Liscombe-Hib Milks-Bruce Ridpath

Extras: Christian Ruutu, Blake Wheeler

Randy Manery-Alex Edler
Murray Henderson-Tom Bladon
Marcus Ragnarsson-Igor Kravchuk

Extras: Moe mantha, Dana Murzyn

Guy Hebert
Mike Karakas

Coach: Claude Ruel

1916 or earlier-Bruce Ridpath
1917-1942- Alex Kaleta, Hib Milks, Mike Kaakas, Carl Liscombe,
1943-1965- Lowell Macdonald, Murray Henderson
1966-1979- George Ferguson, Randy Manery, Tom Bladon
1980-1994- Derek King, Cliff Ronning, Jimmy Carson, Joe Murphy, P.J. Axelsson, Igor Kravchuk, Guy Hebert, Moe Mantha, Dana Murzyn, Christian Ruutu
1995-2004- Scott Walker, marcus Ragnarsson
in 2015 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)-Alex Edler, Blake Wheeler

 

[BubbaBoot]

Been doing some research for this upcoming draft....there's still a buttload of decent players available.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I'll be joining VI and the South Carolina Stingrays as a co-GM

 

[tony d]

Looking forward to this draft, hoping we get another GM though.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Still only 3 teams? This blows....

 

[VanIslander]

Four or bust.

 

[tony d]

Chaos said he would be interested if we needed 4 GM's, maybe we could check if that still stands.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Me personally, I find these lower drafts much more interesting.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I'll be splitting from VI's team to give us four participants.

Count me in as the Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets

Coach: Harry Sinden

Bep Guidolin-Erich Kunhackl-Jakub Voracek
Erik Cole-Ivan Boldirev-Mike Cammalleri
Don Grosso-Steve Rucchin-Martin Lapointe
Val Fonteyne-Orest Kindrachuk-Fred Glover

Stew Evans-Robert Picard
Bob Trapp-Udo Kiessling
Vladimir Malakhov-Bill Juzda

Kirk McLean
Don Beaupre

Spares: Bud Poile, Jordan Staal, Dave Lewis, Gord Murphy

 

[VanIslander]

Trooper!

...

The draft begins this Friday at 10:00 a.m. Eastern.

Last minute team additions are welcome!

 

[Rob Scuderi]

Surprised to be making our first pick, but I'll take a goalie I didn't expect to be available and a European player with some question marks.

Kirk McLean, G

McLean finished second in the Vezina and fourth in Hart voting in 1992, and third in the Vezina 1989. He also had a strong showing in the playoffs as the Canucks lost in Game 7 of the 1994 Stanley Cup finals.

Erich Kuhnhackl, C

Kuhnhackl dominated the German domestic league during his career. He also had a good showing in a few international events. The challenge is the German league was bad, and he scored a lot of his points internationally against second rate teams. Either way, he's a massive center who could score goals and I'm interested in looking at his international scoring a little closer.

 

[VanIslander]

I always thought Captain Kirk was overrated, having watched him throughout his career for my Canucks. Apart from that insane Game 1 of the 1994 Finals, I always thought him no better than "King" Richard Brodeur, who backstopped us during our Towel Power Stanley Cup Finals run of 1982.

 

[VanIslander]

The South Carolina Stingrays are pleased to select King Richard Brodeur, who spent his first 7 seasons in the WHA, backstopping Quebec to the WHA championship in 1977. He also set the WHA regular season record for wins and finished 2nd in WHA career wins. He is best known for his performances during the 1982 Cinderella run of the Canucks. He was chosen for the NHL all-star game the following season at age 30.

Brodeur was, literally, the Canucks saving grace. He was an exciting goalie to watch, pretty acrobatic and had lots and lots of shots against. His career 3.85 GAA his grossly inflated by the high scoring Smythe division of the 1980s. His win/loss record is very respectable considering how bad the Canucks were in comparison to their divisional foes.

Brodeur's career highlight, like that of most Canucks and their fans of that generation, was the improbable 1982 Cinderella run to the Stanley Cup finals. Brodeur backstopped the Canucks with an 11-6 record and a 2.70 GAA. While the Canucks were lucky to have the LA Kings upset Gretzky's Oilers, The Canucks handled their opposition quite handily until they reached the Finals. Once there, the dynastic New York Islanders tore apart the Canucks, winning easily in 4 games.

It was fitting that it was Brodeur who was the goalie who was faced with the task of stopping the Islanders. Back in the Islanders first Cup season of 1979-80 Brodeur was a star goalie with the Isles farm team. He was a CHL all star with the Indianapolis Checkers, posting 4 shutouts and a 2.88 GAA with 22 wins. He also appeared in his first two NHL games with the Isles, posting 1 win and 1 loss.

Brodeur's career actually started 8 years before he made the NHL. Drafted by the Islanders in 1972, Brodeur opted to skip out on the NHL and jump at the chance to stay in his home province by playing with the Quebec Nordiques of the World Hockey Association. Brodeur ranks as one of the best goalies in the WHA history. His 165 wins ranks second all time, only 2 wins behind Joe Daley. Brodeur also set a record for wins in 1975-76 when he had 44. That same season the Nordiques won the Avco Cup championship, symbolic of WHA supremacy.

http://canuckslegends.blogspot.kr/2007/01/king-richard-brodeur.html

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I always thought Captain Kirk was overrated, having watched him throughout his career for my Canucks. Apart from that insane Game 1 of the 1994 Finals, I always thought him no better than "King" Richard Brodeur, who backstopped us during our Towel Power Stanley Cup Finals run of 1982.

I mean I wasn't watching Brodeur, but the award voters who were didn't seem to give him much love (including his time in the WHA with one 2nd AST nod). McLean did have two very strong seasons in terms of voter support. (Since he's a goalie in the Vezina era that support comes from both NHL GMs and the media)

 

[tony d]

Centre Cliff Ronning

Ronning had 869 points in 1137 career games.

Goalie Guy Hebert

Hebert had 3 top 10 finishes in wins for a season.

 

[VanIslander]

Goalie Guy Hebert

There's one of only three guys on the Mighty Ducks that I recall that made watching Anaheim bearable one particular season. Kariya, Selanne and Hebert were worth watching and we praised him often in sports bars. There were two other less notable players and then a whole lot of awfulness on that team.

 

[seventieslord]

I would definitely take Brodeur over McLean without a second thought. McLean dropped, and yes, someone who wasn't in the last two drafts would be kinda surprised to find him available now, and yes, this is probably about where he belongs. But Brodeur has been underrated for years here.

Check out what I put together here:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=56351873&postcount=65

When I compare these things to McLean, he comes out ahead in every way, except for NHL level all-star recognition - however, I don't think it's fair to say that voters as a whole preferred McLean in his era to Brodeur in his. Brodeur had the 2nd all-star in the WHA, was locked out of the NHL for a season behind Smith and Melanson, and took the CHL top goalie award that year, then placed 6th and 8th in NHL all-star voting. McLean was a 2nd team all-star, yes, and he was not a bad choice, but the only other recognition he received was a 3rd in vezina, 5th in all-star season in 1989, but that was kind of a "cheap" one as he was just 17th in minutes and 7th in sv% (it wasn't a Kiprusoff in 2004 situation by a long shot)

Backups aside (that part is covered in my bio), Brodeur averaged 3 sv% points below the league average in his NHL career; McLean averaged 5 points below. And this understates the difference for two reasons: 1) Brodeur's career average would have almost certainly have been better had he played in the NHL in the 1975-1980 range (basically, those years are a plus for him), and 2) in higher sv% eras, save percentage gaps between goalies are more meaningful, and in McLean's era the average was .892 compared to .875 in Brodeur's era.

I hadn't thought too hard about who I'd target if I was in this thing, but a quick glance tells me Brodeur is as good as anyone else.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Boston Pere Marquette picks:
Bill Carson
center / left wing

• Shoots: Left • Height: 5'8" • Weight: 158 lbs. •
•*Born: November 25, 1900 in Bracebridge, Ontario •
•*Played: 1926/27 - 1929/30 (NHL) \\\ 1919/20 - 1922/23 (CIAU) \\\ 1919/20 - 1922/23, 1924/25 - 1925/26 (OHA Sr) \\\ 1930/31 (IHL) \\\ 1933/34 (Can-Am) •

• Championships •
1920 CIAU Champions
1920 Allan Cup Finalist
1922 Allan Cup
1922 CIAU Champions
1929 Stanley Cup (NHL)

• All-Star Teams •
1920 2nd team All-Star (OHA Sr)
1921 1st team All-Star (OHA Sr)
1922 2nd team All-Star (OHA Sr)
1923 2nd team All-Star (OHA Sr)

• Goals
1919-20 ALLAN CUP 9 (3)
1920-21 ALLAN CUP 14 (2)
1920-21 OHA Sr 13 (2)
1921-22 OHA Sr 15 (3)
1924-25 OHA Sr 29 (1)
1925-26 OHA Sr 19 (2)
1926-27 NHL 16 (10)
1927-28 NHL 20 (6)

• Assists
1922-23 OHA Sr 10 (2)
1928-29 NHL 8 (8)

• Points
1919-20 ALLAN CUP 13 (4)
1920-21 ALLAN CUP 16 (T2)
1920-21 OHA Sr 16 (T2)
1921-22 OHA Sr 18 (4)
1922-23 OHA Sr 18 (5)
1924-25 OHA Sr 37 (1)
1925-26 OHA Sr 22 (t6)
1927-28 NHL 26 (8)
1928-29 NHL 19 (10)

• PIMs
1924-25 OHA Sr 41 (2)

• NHL - 159 games / 54 goals / 24 assists / 78 points / PtPG 0.49 / 156PIMs
• OHA Sr - 70 games / 90 goals / 28 assists / 118 points / PtPG 1.69 / 64 PIMs

But it was oldest brother Bill Carson who achieved the most fame on the ice. Once called the best junior hockey player in all of Ontario, he was a dashing and dynamic center. Despite that, he always felt he had another calling in life.

The Toronto St. Pats, forerunner to the Maple Leafs, signed Carson complete with a signing bonus consisting of a new pair of skates. But Bill opted not to attend the professional training camp, choosing to spend the next two years studying dentistry while starring on the varsity team at the University of Toronto. He helped that team win Canada's amateur championship, the Allan Cup, in 1921.

Carson eventually did try his hand at professional hockey, turning pro with the Leafs in 1926. He scored 16 goals in 40 games that first year, and the following year he became the first player in Leafs history to score 20 goals in a season.

The 5'8" and 160lb center would be sold to Boston in the middle of his third campaign. He scored two goals in five playoff games, including the Stanley Cup winning goal!

He played in Boston for one more campaign, opting to retire at the end of the 1929-30 season. He returned to Parry Sound and practiced as a dentist.

- Top-20 in Goals 3 times (6th, 10th, 17th)
- Top-20 in Assists 3 times (8th, 17th, 18th)
- Top-20 in Points 3 times (8th, 10th, 13th)
- His 2 goals and 2 points in 5 playoff games in 1929 may not appear impressive, but the team scored just 9 goals and 12 points in the whole playoffs. Carson was tied for the lead in both goals and points and one of those included the cup winner, so he was very key. Overall, it was good for a 3-way tie for 3rd in playoff goals, and an 8-way tie for 4th in playoff points.

- 2nd in scoring in SOHA in 1921, tied with Carson Cooper
- 4th in SOHA scoring in 1922, behind only Burch, Cooper, and Watson
- 5th in SOHA scoring in 1923, behind Watson and Cooper, and ahead of Hap Day, who was a forward at this time
- 1st in SOHA scoring in 1925, with a good 20% lead on everyone else, though by this time the league was lacking top-end talent. Normie Himes was there this year. Carson more than doubled his per-game production.
- 3rd in SOHA scoring in 1926, again, there were no big names left except Normie Himes, whom Carson outpointed by 37% per game.
- In 70 SOHA games, scored 80 goals and 108 points from 1919-1926, plus 25 goals and 33 points in 16 playoff and Allan Cup games.

From my analysis of Moose Watson from the MLD2010 Finals:
Carson was a very good NHL player for a very short time. In 4 seasons, three of them very low-scoring, he had 78 points in 159 games. He was top-10 in goals twice and then top-10 in assists another year. He had 1.69 and 2.06 PPG in 70 and 16 SOHA games. Conclusion: Watson scored at 108% and 84% of Cooper's rate in the SOHA.

In other words, Watson, a HHOFer who I admit is a top-line MLD player and possibly an ATD bottom-6 guy, scored at about the same rate as Carson, although over a longer period, but Carson proved himself in three NHL seasons, while Watson did not.

He took a different route to the top, transferring from the OHA Stratford Indians, where he had been the loop's top scorer. A dentist by trade, he aligned himself with the U of T's team for four seasons. It was there that he first earned his reputation as one of the best centers in the business.

Early in his stint with the St. Pats, a game report showered him with accolades: "He was wonderful both going and coming - most fans will tell you that he stood out head and shoulders above every other player on the ice. He was a reincarnated Houdini around the Star Spangled defense, and he had the goalie doing so many twists and turns, it took "Bone-setter" Bannister half an hour to get his wishbone and backbone back together."

No wonder, then, when a poll was taken in 1927 of spectator favourites in the ten NHL cities, he was chosen as the Toronto representative. It is one of those big league mysteries that, after his second (and improved) year with Toronto, he was sold to Boston for cash. He was the Bruins' hero in their 1929 Stanley Cup triumph over the Rangers... he retired to pursue his chosen occupation... in the fall of 1933, he donned the livery of the New Haven Eagles. His reputation preceded him and he was the unanimous choice of his teammates to wear the "C" on his shirt.

Although Carson was a fine hockey player, his inclination was toward education more than it was to the NHL. He attended the University of Toronto and played on the Varsity team, winning the Allan Cup in 1921 and staying in OHA senior hockey while finishing his studies.

Carson stayed in the game for a few years, playing in Grimsby and Stratford and earning the admiration of the St. Pats, precursor to the Maple Leafs. He joined the St. Pats and NHL full-time in 1926-27, the year the team was sold to Conn Smythe and the name change made.

Carson had impressive years of 16 and 20 goals with Toronto, but midway through 1928-29 he was sold to Boston and helped the Bruins win their first Stanley Cup just a few weeks later.

Carson played one more season with the Bruins, then more or less retired to go into dentistry, the result of his studies at the U of T.

He went on to play with the Peach Kings in Grimsby for one year and then with the Stratford Indians for two more years. He had an impressive showing in 1924-25 netting 29 goals and 8 assists in 20 games.

Meanwhile, the Toronto St Pats noticed Carson's performance and boasted his signing with the team in 1926. The manager and coach Mike Rodden wanted everyone to know that he was bringing in new blood, placing much hope and trust in Carson. His trust was well founded when the Pats soon became the Maple Leafs in 1927 and Carson's stellar performance made him a fan favourite. Carson would also go down in the history books as a charter member of the new Toronto Maple Leafs. It is thought that Bill Carson may have scored the first Maple Leaf goal!

It was in his third season with Toronto, on February 4, 1928, the leafs met the Detroit Cougars in a very physical game. Carson was badly hurt when on the receiving end of a hard body-check sending him to the ice. He sustained a severe concussion and a fractured skull. Although he recovered and returned to the lineup, he was not the same player. Toronto traded him to Boston on January 25, 1929.

The Bruins' investment paid off when Carson scored the winning goal in the Bruins' first Stanley Cup at 18:02 of the third period making the score 2 - 1 against the New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden in 1929. The series was 2 - 0.

William, or Bill, was born in 1900 in Bracebridge and, according to our research at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, he seems to have been the most renowned of the three brothers. In Wing's, History of Parry Sound, it states that, "n 1921, Bill Carson was considered the best junior hockey player in Ontario."

In the early 1920s, Bill went to the University of Toronto to study dentistry. While at the U of T he excelled on the varsity hockey team. In 1926, he joined the NHL's Toronto St. Pats and in 1927, he was a charter member of the new Toronto Maple Leafs. It is actually even rumoured that he scored the first Maple Leaf goal!

In 1928, Bill's contract was sold to the Boston Bruins and he scored the winning goal in the Bruins' first Stanley Cup.

Unfortunately, his career seems to have been cut short by an arm injury he received while with the St. Pats. Although he only played in the NHL for four years, he also spent some time in the American Hockey League with the New Haven Eagles and, in later years, did some scouting as well.

Generally speaking, little is known of Bill's hockey career. We find it strange that in a "hockey town" like ours, a man who was classed among hockey greats like Howie Morenz, Busher Jackson, Ace Bailey, Hap Day and Eddie Shore is virtually unrecognized. During his short career Bill Carson was one of the best and highest paid players in the NHL.

After his career in hockey, Bill returned to practice dentistry, first in Aurora and eventually in Parry Sound. Bill Carson, nicknamed "Doc", died in Parry Sound in May of 1967.

The Indians played the entire overtime with one man short, Bill Carson having been banished for the remainder of the game for hitting jackhammering, the referee. The fracas occurred just before the final bell rang for the full-time. Burke had just been banished and when the puck was faced off, Arnott, at center, got a crack on the ankle. Bill Carson went to assist him up and Cameron followed him, apparently ragging bill. Carson turned and hit Cameron on the job, the referee landing on his back on the ice. For a few minutes a general mixup seemed imminent, but it quieted down as speedily as it came up. Carson's penalty cost the locals the game, as during the first 10 min. of overtime the Indians held off the Presto nights.… At that, Carson's action was not without provocation. Cameron at no time was master of the game and his decisions were Reardon many instances. He and Bill Carson clashed earlier in the game when he banished bill for questioning a decision.… Just previous to Carson hitting him, Bill was over helping Arnott to his feet. Cameron followed over and the scene apparently to remonstrate to the player, then Bill hit him.… Bill Carson uncorked one of his sensational rushes and caught the defense and goalie cold…

Bill Carson took the leap today, on the eve of the National Hockey League meeting at Montréal the great Stratford center player attached a signature to a St. Patrick's contract calling for the largest salary ever paid a player in the history of the sport. The St. Patrick's refused to divulge the amount paid to the brilliant goal getter, but they maintained that it had set a new record.…

Carson broke into the OHA Junior series in 1918 when his team, Woodstock, finished as runners-up for the title…

In 1920 Carson was the outstanding star on the University of Toronto team which captured the intercollegiate union honors and played against the Falcons, Olympic winners, in the Allan cup series.…

Carson captained the 1921 University of Toronto senior team, which won the Allan cup. This was the greatest collection that ever wore the famous blue-and-white colors. During the next two seasons Carson played center for the U of T team winning the intercollegiate union championship both seasons...

In the following year he played for the Grimsby intermediates, although selected to make the trip to the Olympics with the granites. Last year Carson played for the Stratford OHA seniors group finalists, and this year he was with Stratford again. He led the OHA goal getters in the last two seasons. When he signed today for the new St. Pats manager Mike Rodden, the longest chase in the history of the sport came to a close. St. Patrick's Scouts have been on Carson's trail for several seasons and they have just about concluded that Carson would never make the jump. Today, however, Rodden persuaded him to join the Irishman. St. Pats are on their way in their efforts to giving Toronto a winning team.…

Bill Carson was one of the players keenly sought by the Montréal Maroons last season. His jump to the Irish team of the NHL should greatly strengthen it scoring punch, and, incidentally, it marks an early start by the clubs and bolstering up weak positions before next season.

Bill Carson was the pivot to the Irish attack, and he exhibited a style seldom surpassed in the arena. He drove in three of the St. Patrick's goals, while day was responsible for two.

Bill Carson and Irvin Bailey, the two amateur stars secured from OHA ranks by Toronto St. Pats this season, have proven outstanding performers on the Irish front rank. Carson is one of the fastest men in the league and a flashy puck carrier…

Dr. Bill Carson, playing left-wing for the St. Pats appears to be one of the outstanding stars of the NHL and it would not be surprising to find him leading the goal getters in the eastern section at the end of the season.

Bill Carson was two thirds of the Toronto attack. He had been threatening throughout the period. Once he was stopped when he had gotten by the defense, but the doctor contrived to get in again and this time he scored. He pushed the puck between the points, salvaged it inside the defense, pulled the goalie out of the net and scored without opposition.

Dr. Bill Carson, leafs center ace, stood out as an attacking force for the leafs and counted to of his teams for tallies.… Carson's first tally was distinctly a lone effort. Starting from his own defense the leafs center stick handled his way down the ice, drew Burke aside, slipped past Mantha, and drove a bullet like shot that Hainsworth had little chance to save.

Dr. Bill Carson (front row / 3rd from left)

 

[BubbaBoot]

3 GKs in the first 3 picks....wow.

 

[Elvis P]

I'm glad this worked out for you guys with 4 quality GMs now. Good luck and have fun!