The 2015 B Draft (Open Edition) has ended.

[VanIslander]

The 2015 B Draft

Open Edition

​

The Single-A Draft was more popular and active than expected, with a lot of great picks. There are still some all-time great players still undrafted that could have gone earlier this year and deserve paying attention to, as judgements vary a lot in the depth drafts. So, it's time again for another B draft. (We had one before, years ago.) Here is a way for the few of us to have fun while also allowing anyone to chip in contributions anytime!

Rule: ONLY make one pick. Then wait for another person to make a pick. After someone else makes a pick, you could pick again. No back-to-back picks by the same person (even when the same team has two picks).
This draft can work with two people or twenty people. But it dies if there is only one contributor (no clock!), and no one person will be drafting more than half the picks because of this rule.

For newbies to the all-time draft board, this is a history-oriented draft board, focused on careers to date, not just skill set and potential. So no currently playing players with less than four years of NHL experience would be eligible.

There are no GMs. Or better: Everyone and anyone can be a GM for a pick.

It would be nice to have a reason, stat, description or link to provide a rationale and help us appreciate the pick more.

It is a two-team draft. One is the well-known challenger Dawson City Nuggets.

The other is a Czech club that won of 11 of 13 national titles, won 7 of 9 Spengler Cups it entered and with the best Czech national team players playing for the club, it was the reigning world champions in 1949. Then: "While the national team was preparing to depart for the 1950 World Championship they were inexplicably imprisoned, preventing them from defending their world title, and effectively putting an end to LTC Praha." (The above pic is the team in action.)

Dawson City Nuggets

coach Dick Carroll

Sergei Samsonov - Vladimir Ruzicka - Nelson Emerson
Alexander Steen - Ernie McLea - John Anderson
Josef Augusta - Daymond Langkow - Radek Dvorak
Bill Lindsay - Todd Marchant - Rich Sutter
Richard Farda, Jiri Kochta, Frank Rankin

Jim Dorey - Marek Zidlicky
Oleg Tverdovsky - Bob Plager
Bob Rouse - Willie Huber
Dale Rolfe

Ron Grahame
Jon Casey

vs.


LTC Praha

coach Frank Mathers

Tom McCarthy - John Cullen - Brian Gionta
Pete Horeck - Willie Marshall - Tommy Williams
Jack McDonald - Radek Bonk - Shorty Green
Ville Peltonen - Walt McKechnie - Frank St. Marseille
Rudy Migay, Arto Javanainen

Hugh Bolton - Sean Hill
Tom Reid - Patrice Brisebois
Boris Mironov - Kevin Bieksa
Jiri Slegr, Greg Smith

Earl Robertson
Hal Winkler​

* Trade: Lindsay to Dawson City for Dawson's 22nd rounder

Click to read more...

 

[VanIslander]

Draft list:

Round 1

LTC Praha - Shorty Green, RW
Dawson City Nuggets - Richard Farda, C

Round 2

Dawson City Nuggets - Josef Augusta, LW
LTC Praha - John Cullen, C

Round 3

LTC Praha - Willie Marshall, C
Dawson City Nuggets - Ron Grahame, G

Round 4

Dawson City Nuggets - Jiri Kochta, RW
LTC Praha - Sean Hill, D

Round 5

LTC Praha - Tom McCarthy, LW
Dawson City Nuggets - Oleg Tverdovsky, D

Round 6

Dawson City Nuggets - Alexander Steen, C/LW
LTC Praha - Jiri Slegr, D

Round 7

LTC Praha - Brian Gionta, RW
Dawson City Nuggets - Ernie McLea, C

Round 8

Dawson City Nuggets - Marek Zidlicky, D
LTC Praha - Tommy Williams, C/RW

Round 9

LTC Praha - Pete Horeck, LW
Dawson City Nuggets - Daymond Langkow, C

Round 10

Dawson City Nuggets - Bob Plager, D
LTC Praha - Radek Bonk, C

Round 11

LTC Praha - Hugh Bolton, D
Dawson City Nuggets - Sergei Samsonov, W

Round 12

Dawson City Nuggets - Vladimir Ruzicka, C
LTC Praha - Jack McDonald, LW

Round 13

LTC Praha - Earl Robertson, G
Dawson City Nuggets - Nelson Emerson, C/RW

Round 14

Dawson City Nuggets - Jim Dorey, D
LTC Praha - Patrice Brisebois, D

Round 15

LTC Praha - Hal Winkler, G
Dawson City Nuggets - Willie Huber, D

Round 16

Dawson City Nuggets - Bob Rouse, D
LTC Praha - Ville Peltonen, LW

Round 17

LTC Praha - Tom Reid, D
Dawson City Nuggets - Dale Rolfe, D

Round 18

Dawson City Nuggets - John Anderson, W
LTC Praha - Boris Mironov, D

Round 19

LTC Praha - Kevin Bieksa, D
Dawson City Nuggets - Radek Dvorak, RW

Round 20

Dawson City Nuggets - Todd Marchant, C
LTC Praha - Walt McKechnie, C

Round 21

LTC Praha - Bill Lindsay, LW
Dawson City Nuggets - Dick Carroll, coach

Round 22

LTC Praha (acquired in trade) - coach Frank Mathers
LTC Praha - Rudy Migay, C

Round 23

LTC Praha - Arto Javanainen, RW
Dawson City Nuggets - Rich Sutter, RW

Round 24

Dawson City Nuggets - Jon Casey, G
LTC Praha - Frank St. Marseille, RW/C
Round 25

LTC Praha - Greg Smith, D
Dawson City Nuggets - Frank Rankin, rover

 

[VanIslander]

Ineligible list:

(mod - edited out post-draft for search function purposes)

 

[VanIslander]

LTC Praha selects HHOFer Shorty Green, the wiry but aggressive right winger who checked even the bigger, much heavier players. He was three times top-3 in team scoring, once 8th in NHL goals, once 3rd in NHL assists and captain of his club. He began playing in 1914 for hometown Sudbury and scored 19 goals in 12 games to lead the club to the Allan Cup final where he scored 6 goals in 3 games to secure the championship. He then went and became a WW1 war hero, returning to hockey afterwards. He only played in four NHL seasons but was an impact player.

Although he was five-foot ten-inches, he was known as “Shorty.” But this Sudbury native could, and did play anywhere on the ice. He tackled every obstacle in his way on the rinks...

Lots of great stuff in this Mike Farkas bio here

 

[BubbaBoot]

Dawson City selects:

Richard Farda
CTR

• Shoots: Left • Height: 5'9" • Weight: 165 ibs •
• Born: November 18, 1945 in Brno CZECHOSLOVAKIA •
• Played: 1962/63 - 1973/74 (CZECH EXTRA-Liga) \\\ 1974/75 - 1976/77 (WHA) \\\ 1977/78 - 1982/83 (SWISS NLB) \\\ 1983/84 (SWISS Div.3) •
• Hall of Fame: CZECH (2010)

• Championships •
1965-66 Czechoslovak Extraliga Champion
1965-66 European Cup Champion
1966-67 European Cup Champion
1967-68 European Cup Champion

• International Medals •
1971 European Championships GOLD
1972 World Championships GOLD
1970 World Championships SILVER
1974 World Championships SILVER
1969 World Championships BRONZE
1970 World Championships BRONZE
1972 Olympics BRONZE
1973 World Championships BRONZE

Czech: 397 games / 172 goals / 140 assists / 312 points / 0.79 PpG / 4 PIMs
WHA: 178 games / 34 goals / 96 assists / 130 points / 0.73 PpG / 12 PIMs
NLB: 140 games / 148 goals / 103 assusts / 251 points / 1.79 PpG
WCs: 53 games / 15 goals / 21 assists / 36 points / 0.68 PpG / 10 PIMs
OLY: 6 games / 1 goals / 5 assists / 6 points / 1.00 PpG / 0 PIMs

• Goals •
1968-69 CZECH 23 (10)
1970-71 CZECH 24 (3)

• Assists •
1969-70 CZECH 19 (6)
1970-71 CZECH 24 (3)
1972-73 CZECH 20 (2)
1972 OLYMPICS 5 (T3)

• Points •
1968-69 CZECH 36 (11)
1970-71 CZECH 44 (4)
1971 CZECH Playoffs 10 (T1)
1971 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 9 (T9)
1972-73 CZECH 34 (T9)

 

[VanIslander]

Dawson City selects left winger Josef Augusta, a longtime member of the Czechoslovakian national team who played mostly on a line with Ivan Hlinka or with Eduard Novak and Milan Novy. Augusta played in four world championships between 1969 and 1978. In 1976 the veteran played in the Canada Cup and the Olympics, scoring two goals and an assist in the Olympic silver medal tourney. He played for Dukla Jihlava from 1964 to 1982 and won the Czechoslovakian league 8 times there. In the Canada Cup Augusta scored the tying goal with 5 minutes remaining in the championship final game, the team losing to Canada in overtime on a Sittler goal.

A classic left wing who worked all over the ice

http://www.azhockey.com/Au.htm

 

[BubbaBoot]

LTC Ptaha selects:

John Cullen
CTR

3x 30+ goals in a season /2 All-Star game appearances / 7th in All-Star Team voting in 1991 / 13th in Lady Byng Voting in 1991 / 7th in NHL assists in 1990-91

 

[Elvis P]

A talented playmaker, Willie Marshall was known as a dangerous sniper during his 20 seasons in the American Hockey League, in which time he became the most prolific scorer in league history. ... He returned to Rochester to finish up the 1971-72 season, his record-tying 20th in the AHL, and retired as the league’s all-time leader in games played (1,205), goals (523), assists (852) and points (1,375), as well as hat tricks (25) and Calder Cup Playoff assists (71) and points (119). ... In 2004, the American Hockey League honored Marshall at the All-Star Classic in Grand Rapids and unveiled the Willie Marshall Award, which is now presented annually to the AHL player who scores the most goals each season.

http://ahlhalloffame.com/willie-marshall-p139018

The O6 was different than 1991. This talented AHL playmaker played from 52-72. I think "the league’s all-time leader in games played (1,205), goals (523), assists (852) and points (1,375), as well as hat tricks (25) and Calder Cup Playoff assists (71) and points (119)" and had the AHL's "Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy" named after him, was as good as Cullen, but if you don't agree, don't use him in the B draft. I select C Willie Marshall.

 

[VanIslander]

Dawson City selects goaltender Ron Grahame, the 1975 WHA 1st Team all-star, 1975 WHA Ben Hatskin Trophy (Best Goaltender), 1975 WHA Playoff MVP and 1975 WHA 2nd team all-star. Ron Grahame was an NCAA all-star who was a great starter for a four-year stretch that included a WHA championship (he was twice WHA top goaltender and once a second team all-star) and only 6 loses in a 40-game NHL season as a Bruin the year they went to the Stanley Cup Final. Until his 28th birthday he was a star goalie everywhere he had played. Then the wheels fell off of the wagon when he was traded to Los Angeles for a first round pick (Boston used to pick a guy named Raymond Bourque).

... a solid technical player...

 

[BubbaBoot]

Jiri Kochta
RW

Bio later

 

[BubbaBoot]

Damn it, forgot my book at home. Found a ton of good players still available last night....gonna have to wing it.

 

[VanIslander]

Jiri Kochta

Who? I feel like this is fast becoming a Euro domestic league draft.

A depth player on the Czechoslovakian team (Farda), okay.

But Kochta? ...I'm stunned.

 

[BubbaBoot]

It's a B draft. He's got 58 WC caps (7 tournaments as well as 2 Olympics) with 19 goals and 0.66 PpG during the heyday v the Russians and Swedes and he's in the Czech HofFame....seriously?

Given the amount of one dimensional 2nd and defensive oriented 3rd line NHLers, (nevermind the pre WW1 depth players) available, you think Kochta and Farda can't skate with these guys?

 

[seventieslord]

Just because it's a b draft doesn't mean you should be selecting random players. Please make an effort to select players who truly appear to be the best from their demographic.

 

[MadArcand]

Sean Hill, D

Played lot of minutes, in all kind of situations. Scored a lot of points from the blueline. Superb hitter. And also apparently somehow Panthers' captain at some point.

No way he should've fallen to B draft.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Just because it's a b draft doesn't mean you should be selecting random players. Please make an effort to select players who truly appear to be the best from their demographic.

Augusta - Farda - Kochta looks pretty damn good to my eyes.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Sean Hill, D

Played lot of minutes, in all kind of situations. Scored a lot of points from the blueline. Superb hitter. And also apparently somehow Panthers' captain at some point.

No way he should've fallen to B draft.

Agreed

 

[BubbaBoot]

B]Tom McCarthy
left wing[/B]

• Shoots: left • Height: 6'2" • Weight: 200 lbs. •
• Born: July 31, 1960 • Toronto, Ontario •
• Drafted by: Minnesota • 1st Round (10th overall) 1979 NHL Entry • From: Oshawa Generals (OHL) •
• Played: 1979/80 - 1987/88 (NHL) \\\ 1986/87 - 19487/88 (AHL) \\\ 1976/77- 1978/79 (OHL) \\\ 1988/89 (Italy) •

• All-Star Team Voting •
1978-79 OHL 1st Team
1983/84 (8)

• All-Star Games •
1983 (NHL)

• NOTES •
- Oshawa Generals captain: 1978-79
- Oshawa Generals records: Most consecutive games with at least one point (34 in 1977-78)
- Stanley Cup Finals (Lost): 1981 (Minnesota), 1988 (Boston)
- Nephew of former NHL player John Stewart
- OPJHL North Coach of Year: 2004-05 (Huntsville Muskoka)
- DN Cup Points Leader: 1980 (Minnesota) (4 points)

• Achievements •
• Games •
- Career NHL • 460
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 68
- Career OHL • 127
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 9

• Goals •
1977-78 OHL 47 (T9)
1978-79 OHL 69 (2)
1983-84 NHL 39 (T7 among LWers)
1986-87 NHL 30 (14th among LWers)
- Career NHL • 178
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 12
- Career OHL • 117
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 4

• Power Play Goals •
1983-84 NHL 16 (7)
- Career NHL • 46
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 5

• Assists •
1978-79 OHL 75 (9)
1982-83 NHL 48 (T4 among LWers)
- Career NHL • 221
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 26
- Career OHL • 121
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 5

• Points •
1978-79 OHL 144 (2)
1982-83 NHL 76 (T9 among LWers)
- Career NHL • 399
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 38
- Career OHL • 238
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 9

• Points Per Game •
1978-79 OHL 2.29 (1)
1981-82 NHL 1.05 (T7 among LWers)
1983-84 NHL 1.06 (9 among LWers
- Career NHL • 0.87
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 0.56
- Career OHL • 1.87
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 1.00

• PIMs •
- Career NHL • 330
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 67
- Career OHL • 170
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 13

• Plus/Minus •
- Career NHL • +54
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • -8 (incomplete)

• career team records •
MINNESOTA NORTH STARS (NHL) - games (32) / goals (16) / EV goals (16) / PP goals (17) / (assists (23) / points (21) / playoff points (22) / plus-minus (10) / PIMs (38) / points per game (14)

• Accolades •

Did you know that Wayne Gretzky was not the 1st player chosen in the 1977 OHA midget draft? Despite being known as a national prodigy since the age of 6, Gretzky actually was chosen third by Sault Ste. Marie.

Drafted #2 was a kid named Steve Peters, and he never amounted to much as far as the NHL was concerned, playing in just 2 games with the old Colorado Rockies. Niagara Falls selected Peters over Gretzky only because the Gretzky family had said Wayne would not play anywhere other than Peterborough. (The Petes had the 4th pick, but plans were foiled when the Soo Greyhounds took Gretzky anyways. Gretzky did eventually report.)

Going first overall to Oshawa was a big strapping winger named Tom McCarthy. McCarthy went on to a great junior career, and was considered the top underaged draft eligible player in 1979. The Minnesota North Stars selected McCarthy 10th overall.

Nicknamed "Jughead" or just "Jug" due to his resemblance to the Archie comics character, McCarthy played nine seasons, scoring 178 goals and 221 assists for 399 points in 460 games with Minny and Boston. His best years were with Minnesota. In the 1982-83 season he scored 76 points in 80 games. The following season McCarthy had 70 points in 60 regular season games playing on a line with Dino Ciccarelli and Neal Broten.

I always like McCarthy myself. For some reason I had a soft spot for left wingers when I was a kid growing up. McCarthy's size gave him presence, and it was amplified by his agility, speed and creativity as well as his willingness to go into high traffic areas (at least in the offensive zone). His goal scoring totals and creativity playing along side Ciccarelli and Broten certainly made him even more noticeable, although his coaches probably were more annoyed with his lack of a defensive game and at-times lazy work ethic.

McCarthy was a popular player in Minnesota. For a time he owned and operated a fish and chips restaurant in the area called "McCarthy's: Just for the Halibut" which was a popular eatery.

Injuries plagued McCarthy during his career. He missed nearly half of the 1984-85 regular season and part of the 1985 playoffs due to vision trouble resulting from a concussion suffered when he was punched by Tiger Williams in a Feb.14, 1985 game. At other times in his career he also injured his back in car accident, broke a bone in his back when he crashed into the goal post, and missed time with a paralyzed face as he was diagnosed with Bell's Palsy.

McCarthy also had problems off the ice. He struggled with alcoholism during his years in Minnesota and spent time at the Betty Ford Clinic. He was arrested in 1994 by the FBI and pleaded guilty to driving a truckload of marijuana from California to Minnesota. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison, in which he served time in several jails in both USA and Canada. During his time in Leavenworth, Kansas he organized a prison hockey school.

Fortunately McCarthy was able to clean his life up after getting out of prison. He returned to hockey, coaching youth in the greater Toronto area.

 

[seventieslord]

Augusta - Farda - Kochta looks pretty damn good to my eyes.

...that's a problem.

 

[seventieslord]

B]Tom McCarthy
left wing[/B]

• Shoots: left • Height: 6'2" • Weight: 200 lbs. •
• Born: July 31, 1960 • Toronto, Ontario •
• Drafted by: Minnesota • 1st Round (10th overall) 1979 NHL Entry • From: Oshawa Generals (OHL) •
• Played: 1979/80 - 1987/88 (NHL) \\\ 1986/87 - 19487/88 (AHL) \\\ 1976/77- 1978/79 (OHL) \\\ 1988/89 (Italy) •

• All-Star Team Voting •
1978-79 OHL 1st Team
1983/84 (8)

• All-Star Games •
1983 (NHL)

• NOTES •
- Oshawa Generals captain: 1978-79
- Oshawa Generals records: Most consecutive games with at least one point (34 in 1977-78)
- Stanley Cup Finals (Lost): 1981 (Minnesota), 1988 (Boston)
- Nephew of former NHL player John Stewart
- OPJHL North Coach of Year: 2004-05 (Huntsville Muskoka)
- DN Cup Points Leader: 1980 (Minnesota) (4 points)

• Achievements •
• Games •
- Career NHL • 460
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 68
- Career OHL • 127
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 9

• Goals •
1977-78 OHL 47 (T9)
1978-79 OHL 69 (2)
1983-84 NHL 39 (T7 among LWers)
1986-87 NHL 30 (14th among LWers)
- Career NHL • 178
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 12
- Career OHL • 117
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 4

• Power Play Goals •
1983-84 NHL 16 (7)
- Career NHL • 46
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 5

• Assists •
1978-79 OHL 75 (9)
1982-83 NHL 48 (T4 among LWers)
- Career NHL • 221
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 26
- Career OHL • 121
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 5

• Points •
1978-79 OHL 144 (2)
1982-83 NHL 76 (T9 among LWers)
- Career NHL • 399
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 38
- Career OHL • 238
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 9

• Points Per Game •
1978-79 OHL 2.29 (1)
1981-82 NHL 1.05 (T7 among LWers)
1983-84 NHL 1.06 (9 among LWers
- Career NHL • 0.87
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 0.56
- Career OHL • 1.87
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 1.00

• PIMs •
- Career NHL • 330
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 67
- Career OHL • 170
- Career OHL PLAYOFFS • 13

• Plus/Minus •
- Career NHL • +54
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • -8 (incomplete)

• career team records •
MINNESOTA NORTH STARS (NHL) - games (32) / goals (16) / EV goals (16) / PP goals (17) / (assists (23) / points (21) / playoff points (22) / plus-minus (10) / PIMs (38) / points per game (14)

• Accolades •

Was he useful in any way other than scoring? Because judged based on offense, he looks really weak, like not even Mark Osborne caliber

 

[seventieslord]

Sean Hill, D

Played lot of minutes, in all kind of situations. Scored a lot of points from the blueline. Superb hitter. And also apparently somehow Panthers' captain at some point.

No way he should've fallen to B draft.

21.43 minutes over 876 games is a good enough reason to take him here or a mini-draft above. But he does have some warts.

- At even strength the teams that gave him all these minutes were pretty bad - 7% below average, which isn't bad on an all-time level, but is pretty weak in an age where there was more parity.

- On the penalty kill his teams were 11% worse than average and he didn't actually get all that much time on these bad units - 39% usage is more than his fair share, but not much more.

- On the PP his teams were 18% worse than average. that's terrible enough for one season, but to average that over a 900-game career... wow. He was not a natural PP guy and was often used there because his teams had no better options. Actually if you sort all the 338 post-expansion players with over 700 games and 35% PP usage, only two consistently "contributed" to PP units more terrible - Walt McKechnie (955 GP, 40% usage, 27% below average) and Guy Charron (734 GP, 50% usage, 40% below average)

Basically his ice time figures make him quite attractive but the context in which they were earned make him less so.

 

[MadArcand]

Oleg Tverdovsky, D

Does any available defenseman bring better offensive peak? Good skater that received Norris votes in three seasons, topping out at 10th. Somehow won two Cups past his prime as bit-time role-player.

 

[MadArcand]

- On the PP his teams were 18% worse than average. that's terrible enough for one season, but to average that over a 900-game career... wow. He was not a natural PP guy and was often used there because his teams had no better options. Actually if you sort all the 338 post-expansion players with over 700 games and 35% PP usage, only two consistently "contributed" to PP units more terrible - Walt McKechnie (955 GP, 40% usage, 27% below average) and Guy Charron (734 GP, 50% usage, 40% below average)

Basically his ice time figures make him quite attractive but the context in which they were earned make him less so.

Well, he did spend his best years on the Canes' power kill...

Still, he's no PP QB, more of a point cannon.

 

[chaosrevolver]

Dawson City Nuggets

Josef Augusta - Richard Farda - Jiri Kochta
Alexander Steen - C - RW
LW - C - RW
LW - C - RW

Oleg Tverdovsky - D
D - D
D - D

Ron Grahame
G


vs.


LTC Praha

Tom McCarthy - John Cullen - Shorty Green
LW - Willie Marshall - Brian Gionta
LW - C - RW
LW - C - RW

Jiri Slegr - Sean Hill
D - D
D - D

G
G​

 

[Hobnobs]

21.43 minutes over 876 games is a good enough reason to take him here or a mini-draft above. But he does have some warts.

- At even strength the teams that gave him all these minutes were pretty bad - 7% below average, which isn't bad on an all-time level, but is pretty weak in an age where there was more parity.

- On the penalty kill his teams were 11% worse than average and he didn't actually get all that much time on these bad units - 39% usage is more than his fair share, but not much more.

- On the PP his teams were 18% worse than average. that's terrible enough for one season, but to average that over a 900-game career... wow. He was not a natural PP guy and was often used there because his teams had no better options. Actually if you sort all the 338 post-expansion players with over 700 games and 35% PP usage, only two consistently "contributed" to PP units more terrible - Walt McKechnie (955 GP, 40% usage, 27% below average) and Guy Charron (734 GP, 50% usage, 40% below average)

Basically his ice time figures make him quite attractive but the context in which they were earned make him less so.

and he was doping