nyr7andcounting
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NYIsles1 said:When Newsday reports only 60,000 homes tune into Ranger games on Msg that's a serious lack of fan attention and even though your not talking about that it's what drives ticket sales. Tell me how is a team with general interest that low with no reporters, radio shows or columnists to drive attention with the public getting anyone to purchase all the seats you think are sold at those high prices?
Because there is 8 MILLION people in NYC, and many more in the metro area, and they are only selling 18,200 tickets...some of which are brought by companies with pocket change? It just doesn't make any sense. If you believe other cities sell tickets with a much much smaller population, pure numbers would have you believe that even if the Rangers have 1/10th of the attention in their market as those other cities, they still have enough people in that 1/10th to fill 18k seats.
And high prices barely make a difference. They aren't that high when you consider how much more expensive everything is in NYC and the fact that half the people that buy the tickets couldn't care less about paying 60 bucks.
Ok, your right. And the Rangers still had the 5th highest revenue in the NHL last year. Despite coverage difficiencies, competing pro sports teams (including 2 in their own league), and competing entertainment in NYC...so they are fine, even getting as little attention as they are right now.NYIsles1 said:I have given you several examples of Hockey coverage in other markets being greater in volume and superior to New York and why. The problem here is unique because other hockey markets do have room for growth while here nothing hockey can do will pull attention from baseball's lock on the public interest
year-round. This was not the case ten or twenty years ago and when the Devils won the cup in today's baseball-driven media market we saw it up close how tough the problem is for hockey in this area.
7th in Manhattan nets more revenue than first in Pittsburgh, so again, they are fine.NYIsles1 said:My point is they are not better off because win or lose they are the seventh or eighth team with the general public in Manhattan. The Pittsburgh Penguins can be the first team in that market after football season and create excellent media support and interest to drive that market. That will not happen here.
Okay, so you don't want contraction but you think the Rangers and Islanders should move. I dunno, make whatever point you want I just don't think it's going to happen. When your league is struggling for revenues it's hard to move one of your highest revenue teams.NYIsles1 said:I'm also not calling for the contraction of any team but today it's a bad idea to have a team inside the Yankees-Mets baseball market. Especially after they cannot get any attention with the highest payrolls in the sport and have such a small demographic of fans following hockey to begin with.
Fine. Attention/Interest and revenues/profits are too completely different things.NYIsles1 said:I think a 30-40m dollar successful team with a few franchise players in Nashville, Phoenix, Carolina will get attention and interest in those markets. A lot more than an 80m dollar product in Manhattan has done.