The GM
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He tries hardPaid a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and an NHL defenseman just for someone who tries?
He tries hardPaid a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and an NHL defenseman just for someone who tries?
He's also not wrong about the fact after the end of the 1st round,
it's a lottery with hitting on quality players.
I don't disagree with you that JBB is still benefiting from Yzerman's decisions - I was just providing the context for his thinking.Here's 2 lists of players Tampa drafted/signed undrafted under Yzerman. One of these is of lucky lottery wins so rare they are not worth minding, the other, one of these is from diligent 1st round scouting including multiple top 10 picks. Wonder if its possible to tell which is which. Not going through JBB's draft picks because I have yet to see evidence that there was one that didn't get shoehorned into a 4th liner with term at the deadline
Kucherov, Palat, Johnson, Point, Marchessault, Cirelli, Gourde, Verhaeghe, Gudas, Colton, Perbix
Connolly, Namestnikov, Koekkoek, Vasilevsky, Drouin, DeAngelo, Howden, Cal Foote, Nolan Foote
2 has to be the lottery, right, Vasilevsky being the sole win from a mountain of crap vs enough core and strong supporting players to anchor 3 teams
I don't disagree with you that JBB is still benefiting from Yzerman's decisions - I was just providing the context for his thinking.
He's made some good depth trades - Paul comes to mind, and Hagel was a good move.
But they will somehow need to hit on a pick or two soon - or the window will close sooner than later
great points. I AgreeIronically Paul cost the least of all his acquisitions.
Hagel looks good breaking out the way he did but JBB let a better Verhaeghe walk to an even cheaper deal with Florida just a year before and then paid 2 firsts and Raddysh (himself looking like he's becoming a Hagel like player) for the replacement.
JBB got the last 10% Tampa needed - dependable cheap grit to have on the roster at the same time when Kucherov, Point, Palat, Hedman, Vasi were all peaking - but paid a one of a kind premium for far from one of a kind players. The biggest difference between a Barclay Goodrow and a Garnet Hathaway was that one of them played for Tampa in 20-21 and one didn't
[/QUOTE]Does that automatically make all those moves good? Does that mean there is automatically one out of 32 teams every year all of whose moves are beyond reproach?
ovi895 said:What if they traded 10 first round picks for Blake Coleman? Still doesn't matter because results? Or 10 first rounders for Brandon Hagel, after all he's part of that group even if he didn't win any cups for them
Seeing CV thrive elsewhere is no one's favorite topic, but winning cures a lot.They let Carter Verhaeghe walk for nothing despite having the option to retain him cheaply in 2020 when they'd have traded 3 first rounders for him later that year if he was available at a mil for 2 years
Pretty much any GM can add depth pieces of an already built team that got their essential pieces added and trickled in from the previous GM. Also people are free to call a duck a duck and a bad trade a bad trade. Could have used those picks to dump cap space or you know get an actual useful player.It gives them some leeway to make a move like this and not get blasted for it loli
I still trust the gm that won 2 cups and a finals losing a trade vs a random poster calling it bad