Proposal: STL: Swapping bad contracts: Krug for a forward?

[Vladys Gumption]

he is, but we have lots of negatives. the next couple years will be rough because we lack enough front line talent. krug gets way too much flak for his shortcomings and not enough credit for what he does well. i get it. folks compare him to petro and so he wears all of that, but what is done is done. if he were making $4-5 mm (and we could ignore circumstances of his signing), would be a real asset.

It’s not even comparing him to Petro. It’s that he’s being paid first pairing money but performing like a third pairing defenseman. He’s a bad defender who needs to be sheltered a ton. And his offense has taken a steep hit as well.

So he’s way overpaid and we lack flexibility to make a move in large part because of his contract.

 

[Blueston]

It’s not even comparing him to Petro. It’s that he’s being paid first pairing money but performing like a third pairing defenseman. He’s a bad defender who needs to be sheltered a ton. And his offense has taken a steep hit as well.

So he’s way overpaid and we lack flexibility to make a move in large part because of his contract.

sure krug is overpaid. we all know that. but what move can't we make? we are sellers!!!

 

[PocketNines]

Krug has one single one-way skill and he sucks at it now. Him shooting the puck is outright pitiful

 

[TD Charlie]

I would love to show video clips of each game to show how worthless Krug has been this year. He tries hard and that's it. Trying doesn't equal success. He also leads the team in passes to the middle of the ice in his own zone.. so I guess he leads the team in something.

Bruins fans get it.

He had a way of endearing himself to the fans because he was a small, baby faced kid that busted his ass and had some occasional HUGE goals and long laser beam passes. I loved his motor, and admired his willingness to at least attempt throwing some weight around. Ultimately, he was just too small. Poor guy got rag dolled and abused in his own end and couldn't do much about it.

It sucks cuz I'd still be OK with seeing him in Boston again. The contract is dreadful though. Even with double, max retention it's a hard sell

 

[PocketNines]

Bruins fans get it.

He had a way of endearing himself to the fans because he was a small, baby faced kid that busted his ass and had some occasional HUGE goals and long laser beam passes. I loved his motor, and admired his willingness to at least attempt throwing some weight around. Ultimately, he was just too small. Poor guy got rag dolled and abused in his own end and couldn't do much about it.

It sucks cuz I'd still be OK with seeing him in Boston again. The contract is dreadful though. Even with double, max retention it's a hard sell

Yes, this is what he is, but Doug Armstrong couldn't perceive this in advance, which is a major failure. Some Blues fans don't understand why the condemnation here. For me the two decisions on 9/27/20 were two of the stupidest decisions - fully in real time - I have ever seen in hockey. Armstrong is like a pilot who can do some tricks and has a long career but that one time he flew a fully loaded jumbo jet into the side of a mountain. I can't get past the total plane crash. I'd rather have the less skilled pilot who manages never to fly the plane into the god damn side of the mountain

 

[Robtom18]

I like Krug, he did that big hit one time. That’s a hockey player. But you gotta attach young talent to make it worth it, see?

Krug+Kyrou

For

Mittlestadt and a 1st.

Makes no sense for us, trading a good defensive C for more offense, but that one hit was super nails, man. My ol’ hockey soul loved it.

Solid no thanks. Unless.a top d prospect is coming back. Lol

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Solid no thanks. Unless.a top d prospect is coming back. Lol

Finee, you can have Jokiharju.

 

[Robtom18]

Finee, you can have Jokiharju.

Im good on junk. You dont get kyrou for that regarldess of kruggs contract. Just aint happening

 

[jjniner]

More like Krug and Kyrou for Middle.. I’m a Blues fan and an adding of a 1st by Buffalo is stupid

 

[BleedBlue14]

Which team has $6mm of cap space to giveaway for nothing in return? He’s sail right thru waivers unclaimed.

I think you’d be surprised. I wouldn’t be shocked either way. He’s been a top point producer in the league for quite a while. I’d imagine someone would see that and think it’s worth the risk considering it’s only a 3 year commitment. I’m not trying to downplay 3 years because it’s not nothing. But for a team that’s up shits creek without a paddle currently and there are quite a few, the opportunity to have a guy teach younger players and help provide offense is probably there.

 

[drede]

Hi!

The Blues have too much capspace invested in their defense. The preferable player to move is Torey Krug, who is still a decent 3rd pairing PPQB (Blues usually play him on the 2nd pairing), but is payed way too much for what he's capable of.

As the Blues could use some forward help, I was wondering if it is possible to move Krug in a deal for a forward who's in the same situation: still a decent player, but is payed too much. Preferably a right winger, but I guess any forward position would do.

Krug has 3 years left on his contract after current season. He has a NTC, but that will change to a M-NTC (15 team no trade clause) in 25/26. He has already used his NTC to nix a deal to Philly and it's not unlikely he will use it for Canadian teams. His caphit is 6.500.000.

The Blues are in a retool that would probably still take a couple of seasons, so we're not in a position of using valuable assets to move him.

Hi!

The Blues have too much capspace invested in their defense. The preferable player to move is Torey Krug, who is still a decent 3rd pairing PPQB (Blues usually play him on the 2nd pairing), but is payed way too much for what he's capable of.

As the Blues could use some forward help, I was wondering if it is possible to move Krug in a deal for a forward who's in the same situation: still a decent player, but is payed too much. Preferably a right winger, but I guess any forward position would do.

Krug has 3 years left on his contract after current season. He has a NTC, but that will change to a M-NTC (15 team no trade clause) in 25/26. He has already used his NTC to nix a deal to Philly and it's not unlikely he will use it for Canadian teams. His caphit is 6.500.000.

The Blues are in a retool that would probably still take a couple of seasons, so we're not in a position of using valuable assets to move him.

Any takers?

Mayne Gallagher or Anderson for the habs seen alot of habs fans wanting to get out of those contracts

 

[Reality Czech]

I would love to show video clips of each game to show how worthless Krug has been this year. He tries hard and that's it. Trying doesn't equal success. He also leads the team in passes to the middle of the ice in his own zone.. so I guess he leads the team in something.

Nah, I've watched almost every game and he's been fine most of the time. I think it's just your confirmation bias talking. Blues fans act like he's making mistakes left and right but I'd say his defense this year has been his best since he joined the Blues. Not that he's an elite defender or anything, but it's clear he's working harder on that aspect of his game.

The irony is that his offense has suffered as his defense has improved. But he's still a gamer and honestly I don't even mind him on the team. Everyone needs a scapegoat I suppose. Defense is largely a team responsibility despite the fact that fans often focus on individuals as if one guy can stop the other team's offense by himself.

 

[PocketNines]

it is very poor GM-ing to end up paying the big money for the declining skillset of a small PP specialist you have to shelter. this is baby-GM type stuff. you get their value when they are cheap and cost controlled but once they hit UFA let someone else overpay for them while they decline.

a medium sized man just flung this scrub to the ice the other day and scored the empty netter, it was hilarious. krug constantly materializes dangerous shorthanded chances with his leaky PP point ability. he gets trapped in the D zone constantly, it is really just brutal to watch ... only three more years after this one!

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Lets ignore non trade clauses.

Imo the Flyers make the most sense, ...

You would definitely have to ignore NTCs, because Krug refused to waive for a trade that would have sent him to Philadelphia.

 

[caliamad]

Alex killorn for Krug with retention to even up cap hit?

 

[Beauterham]

Imo the Flyers make the most sense, if the Bkues could add a little. Atkinson vs Krug + 2nd pick of something? Krug is more AAV. 1 more year too, but Flyers would benefit from a PPQB, and Atkinson seem redundant in Philly with all their young forwards.

There was already a trade in place involving Krug to Philly for Sanheim, but Krug used his NTC. So Philly isn't happening.

Gallagher in Montreal has the same AAV and term left. But also a bunch of quality young LDs in the pipeline. Maybe MTL can flip Krug for something they want, but I doubt it.

Maybe it's in my head, but I think I've read somewhere that Krug doesn't want to go to Canada, so I can't imagine Montreal to be a possibility.

If you can add a little, maybe Palat in NJ? I doubt theyre interested in Krug's skills though.

Palat is interesting? But as you said, it's hard envisioning the Devils to be interested in Krug.

Hall in Chicago?

I don't see the Blues do a bigger trade with their big division rival.


Checked Capfriendly BTW. How do Islander fans look at Anders Lee's contract? Lee has a higher caphit than Krug but one year less term. Might fit the retool timeline. His statline is on par with a guy like Brandon Saad. Pageau could be an option aswell.

 

[wintersej]

OP, take a look at capfriendly -> active players.

Not a ton of options. Ironically the Blues have Hayes lol.

Lets ignore non trade clauses.

Imo the Flyers make the most sense, if the Bkues could add a little. Atkinson vs Krug + 2nd pick of something? Krug is more AAV. 1 more year too, but Flyers would benefit from a PPQB, and Atkinson seem redundant in Philly with all their young forwards.

Gallagher in Montreal has the same AAV and term left. But also a bunch of quality young LDs in the pipeline. Maybe MTL can flip Krug for something they want, but I doubt it.

If you can add a little, maybe Palat in NJ? I doubt theyre interested in Krug's skills though.

Hall in Chicago?

Those are kinda the option I believe.

Flyers both make the most sense and he already rejected a trade there.

 

[Beauterham]

Alex killorn for Krug with retention to even up cap hit?

I don't have any interest in retaining on Krug's contract, however I wouldn't mind taking up a second UFA contract to even things out financially. Killorn is interesting though.

 

[abo9]

You would definitely have to ignore NTCs, because Krug refused to waive for a trade that would have sent him to Philadelphia.

For the sake of discussion and generating ideas. I dont see a forward with the contract and skill level that would match a Krug swap, where Krug ir the other player waive ntc/nmc.

There was already a trade in place involving Krug to Philly for Sanheim, but Krug used his NTC. So Philly isn't happening.



Maybe it's in my head, but I think I've read somewhere that Krug doesn't want to go to Canada, so I can't imagine Montreal to be a possibility.



Palat is interesting? But as you said, it's hard envisioning the Devils to be interested in Krug.



I don't see the Blues do a bigger trade with their big division rival.


Checked Capfriendly BTW. How do Islander fans look at Anders Lee's contract? Lee has a higher caphit than Krug but one year less term. Might fit the retool timeline. His statline is on par with a guy like Brandon Saad. Pageau could be an option aswell.

Imo the Blackhawks option would make sense. Its not like the Hawks are any threat in the near future. Blues get rid of Krug's cap 2 years early while saving minimum 500K next year. Hawks likely dont need the cap space in that timeframe. They add a decent NHL defensemen (they dont have one on the left side), and bonus he can play PP with Jones and Bedard.

I saw Lee too, but not sure if the Isles would be much interested in addid a PPQB to their defense, with Dobson and all? I can see it be a possibility.

Why Krug and not Faulk or Parayko btw? Seems like trading a RD would be better for balance, but Im not too sure if Faulk/Parayko are considered much more valuable to the Blues (I assume Parayko is?). If the Bkues are rebuilding/retooling, might be worth trading a player with more value to accelerate the retool.

 

[Spektre]

Nah, I've watched almost every game and he's been fine most of the time. I think it's just your confirmation bias talking. Blues fans act like he's making mistakes left and right but I'd say his defense this year has been his best since he joined the Blues. Not that he's an elite defender or anything, but it's clear he's working harder on that aspect of his game.

The irony is that his offense has suffered as his defense has improved. But he's still a gamer and honestly I don't even mind him on the team. Everyone needs a scapegoat I suppose. Defense is largely a team responsibility despite the fact that fans often focus on individuals as if one guy can stop the other team's offense by himself.

I don't have any bias towards Krug or anyone else. His play speaks for itself.

 

[PocketNines]

I don't have any bias towards Krug or anyone else. His play speaks for itself.

Some posting is lower quality because the first move is a character attack on hockey subjects:

"you're biased and therefore disqualified. what a shame we can never reach the threshhold subject matter due to standing." it's silly, but also unending

 

[Robtom18]

For the sake of discussion and generating ideas. I dont see a forward with the contract and skill level that would match a Krug swap, where Krug ir the other player waive ntc/nmc.



Imo the Blackhawks option would make sense. Its not like the Hawks are any threat in the near future. Blues get rid of Krug's cap 2 years early while saving minimum 500K next year. Hawks likely dont need the cap space in that timeframe. They add a decent NHL defensemen (they dont have one on the left side), and bonus he can play PP with Jones and Bedard.

I saw Lee too, but not sure if the Isles would be much interested in addid a PPQB to their defense, with Dobson and all? I can see it be a possibility.

Why Krug and not Faulk or Parayko btw? Seems like trading a RD would be better for balance, but Im not too sure if Faulk/Parayko are considered much more valuable to the Blues (I assume Parayko is?). If the Bkues are rebuilding/retooling, might be worth trading a player with more value to accelerate the retool.

Parayko is our #1 rhd faulk is our number two. These guys stay. Maybee faulk for the right price. Problem is we dont have great defenseman in the pipeline.

 

[Mrfenn92]

OP, take a look at capfriendly -> active players.

Not a ton of options. Ironically the Blues have Hayes lol.

Lets ignore non trade clauses.

Imo the Flyers make the most sense, if the Bkues could add a little. Atkinson vs Krug + 2nd pick of something? Krug is more AAV. 1 more year too, but Flyers would benefit from a PPQB, and Atkinson seem redundant in Philly with all their young forwards.

Gallagher in Montreal has the same AAV and term left. But also a bunch of quality young LDs in the pipeline. Maybe MTL can flip Krug for something they want, but I doubt it.

If you can add a little, maybe Palat in NJ? I doubt theyre interested in Krug's skills though.

Hall in Chicago?

Those are kinda the option I believe.

No thanks from Chicago

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Krug is playing 22 minutes a night. If he's dealt whose going to absorb those minutes? Leddy, Faulk and Parayko are also all at 22 or more minutes so they shouldn't be taking on more.

Sure Krug is overpaid. He's also asked to play too many minutes but that's only cause there is no better option.

Then the Blues best and most NHL ready prospects are forwards. The decent D prospects the Blues have are all 18 or 19 and at least a few years away from just starting to get NHL minutes.

Trading him for an overpaid forward makes no sense considering the Blues strengths and weaknesses.

Dealing him for a contract with less term is another story.

 

[HighNote]

I would love to show video clips of each game to show how worthless Krug has been this year. He tries hard and that's it. Trying doesn't equal success. He also leads the team in passes to the middle of the ice in his own zone.. so I guess he leads the team in something.

He also makes good plays every game, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Look, I'm right there with you. I'm 100% on the 'trade him asap' train, but that's because of his contract, age, and where we are as a team. He's a 3rd pairing guy, playing on the 2nd pairing, getting paid like he's on the 1st pairing. It's just poor asset management. I'm sure we agree there. But he's absolutely not worthless. I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that, if he was paid a reasonable amount, played on the 3rd pairing, quarterbacked the PP, and put up 30-40 points, that he would be worthless. There is value there, even if there are defensive deficiencies.