Post-Game Talk: Still winless and even more royally pissed

[devilsblood]

5 game losing streak, all in regulation, for Columbus last year.

 

[guitarguyvic]

So we've switched from "no playoff team has a stretch like this" to "teams have bad stretches but don't LOOK this bad".

C'mon.

Yes...”stretch like this” meaning losing 6 consecutive games while looking like an AHL squad. Good, well coached teams don’t do that. And if they do it’s usually turned around when they fix a major source of the problem, like the coach for example, which is apparently not going to happen in this case.

 

[devilsblood]

Yes...”stretch like this” meaning losing 6 consecutive games while looking like an AHL squad. Good, well coached teams don’t do that. And if they do it’s usually turned around when they fix a major source of the problem, like the coach for example, which is apparently not going to happen in this case.

Well like I said, this argument is more a support for the team and it's prospects then as a support for Hynes.

And despite the reports I do feel Hynes is on thin ice.

 

[Call Me Al]

if they lose the next two can't see them keeping him through the 5 day break. seems like an ideal time to make a coaching switch

 

[My3Sons]

Who is the Xs and Os guy on this staff? Do they even have one? That's what they need right now is someone who can actually break down the details on what is going on and why and provide meaningful specifics of game planning to get things moving in the right direction.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Well like I said, this argument is more a support for the team and it's prospects then as a support for Hynes.

And despite the reports I do feel Hynes is on thin ice.

I suppose maybe I understand that. Not sure I can fully agree though. I see this team as being better than they are currently, but not well constructed enough to win at the pace necessary to catch up now even if they get a better coach. Hynes has essentially sabotaged our chances of making the big dance this season.

 

[Tretyak 20]

So we've switched from "no playoff team has a stretch like this" to "teams have bad stretches but don't LOOK this bad".

C'mon.

Most of us have been talking about how bad the losses were right from game 1. There's no "switch" - it's been clear from the start. Two shutouts, two 3 or more goal leads blown... this team looks like some junior squad playing exhibition games against the real NHL. They have since game 1.

You also don't seem to be considering when teams have bad stretches. It's one thing to have a 2-7-1 stretch in December when you were doing fine before. It's quite a different thing when it's in the 1st half of October. Firstly because there's nothing to fall back on. It's not like our guys can say, "hey, we just have to get back to how we were playing in November". Also, at this point we'll be chasing a playoff spot all year. That's a huge amount of pressure - and this is a young team.

And again (as I've been saying since about game 2), they look totally un-coached. Their fundamentals are terrible, they don't have a recognizable system, they don't know where each other are on the ice, and I for one have freakin' had it with Defensemen chasing puck carriers out to the blue line like this is freakin' Midget hockey.

We are currently dead last in the league, the only remaining winless team. We have played so badly that I don't expect that to change. We have a -16 goal differential in 6 games! Our PK stands at a grand total of 57.1% and our PP is at a staggering 0%... in 18 tries. They honestly looked better under Maclean.

How anyone on this "coaching" staff still has a job boggles the mind.

 

[NJDevs26]

Toronto had a 3-7 stretch.

& a

4-6-2 stretch to end the year.

News flash: Slumps happen.

It’s intellectually misleading to bring up random stretches in February and March for two reasons...most of those slumps the teams were not getting outscored 29-13, and a lot of those stretches came when teams had a cushion. The end of Sutter’s first regular season with the Devils they had a death march toward the end of the season but they were 99% a playoff team when it started. It’s a bit different to spiral when you’ve got a cushion as opposed to putting yourself in a big hole.

Not to mention 4-6-2 is barely a slump, not comparable to the Devils 0-fer

 

[devilsblood]

It’s intellectually misleading to bring up random stretches in February and March for two reasons...most of those slumps the teams were not getting outscored 29-13, and a lot of those stretches came when teams had a cushion. The end of Sutter’s first regular season with the Devils they had a death march toward the end of the season but they were 99% a playoff team when it started. It’s a bit different to spiral when you’ve got a cushion as opposed to putting yourself in a big hole.

So again, it has switched from "good teams don't have stretches like this" to something else.

You guys can act like what we are seeing is something that no playoff team has ever went through. But the truth is most playoff teams go through stretches very similar to this.

 

[guitarguyvic]

So again, it has switched from "good teams don't have stretches like this" to something else.

You guys can act like what we are seeing is something that no playoff team has ever went through. But the truth is most playoff teams go through stretches very similar to this.

I’m sorry but that last statement is absolutely laughable. You can’t be serious right? Most playoff teams do no go through a big stretch of games where they are putrid in literally every facet of the game. Holy smokes.

 

[NJDevs26]

So again, it has switched from "good teams don't have stretches like this" to something else.

You guys can act like what we are seeing is something that no playoff team has ever went through. But the truth is most playoff teams go through stretches very similar to this.

Good teams DON’T have stretches like this, that’s the point...you’re narrowing the scope and solely looking at wins and losses, not how just badly the team is playing or context of time in the season. Find another stretch where a good team got outscored 29-13 over six games, you’ll be looking a while.

 

[mtnet]

Well coached, albeit mediocre teams still tend to close out games with a late 3-4 goal lead.

We're frequently incapable of doing so and have been that way for years. Why might that be?

 

[devilsblood]

I’m sorry but that last statement is absolutely laughable. You can’t be serious right? Most playoff teams do no go through a big stretch of games where they are putrid in literally every facet of the game. Holy smokes.

Good teams DON’T have stretches like this, that’s the point...you’re narrowing the scope and solely looking at wins and losses, not how just badly the team is playing or context of time in the season. Find another stretch where a good team got outscored 29-13 over six games, you’ll be looking a while.

During Pit's 5 game losing streak last year they were outscored 21-7. The first three of those games they were outscored 3-16. Shut out twice 5-0.

 

[glenwo2]

I applaud devilsblood for always looking for the bright side of things but this is not the time to attempt to do so 'cause comparing other teams to this discombobulated one we have is pure apples and rotten oranges.

Also, as @NJDevs26 stated, this isn't about the Win/Loss record..it's about how the team GOT to that current Win/Loss record. Context is everything.

 

[guitarguyvic]

During Pit's 5 game losing streak last year they were outscored 21-7. The first three of those games they were outscored 3-16. Shut out twice 5-0.

And that one playoff team out of how many? And they then proceeded to get curb stomped in the first round by an islanders team that is nothing special.

Most playoff teams do no go through an extended stretch playing this bad. Give it up.

 

[devilsblood]

And that one playoff team out of how many? And they then proceeded to get curb stomped in the first round by an islanders team that is nothing special.

Most playoff teams do no go through an extended stretch playing this bad. Give it up.

In a stretch in which Toronto lost 4 of 5, they game up 26 goals. At least 5 goals in 4 of those games, allowed 6 goals 3 times.

Edit: And I was actually wrong above about Toronto, as they also lost their final 2 games. So they finished the year losing 5 of 6, 10 of 14, and allowed at least 5 goals in 7 of their last 14 games.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Not to mention that these so-called examples are being taken completely out of context. None of those bad stretches cited occurred to start the season, that’s a huge difference. We don’t know what each teams situation was during those bad stretches too...were there significant injuries? Long road trip? We’re they playing well but just snake bitten for a bit? I’d be willing to bet quite confidently that all or some of those factors came into play. Whereas this joke of a team is fully healthy, it’s the start of the season, and the actual play on the ice is a f***ing tragedy.

These cited examples are really disingenuous. That’s like next level denial going on.

 

[13BearerOfHope]

Expect the unexpected. Hype pre-season, no win yet. Zero expectations for tomorrow, but we'll hand the Rags a 5-0. Tomorrow we launch our season, baby. Let's do it! I called it.

 

[Emperoreddy]

So again, it has switched from "good teams don't have stretches like this" to something else.

You guys can act like what we are seeing is something that no playoff team has ever went through. But the truth is most playoff teams go through stretches very similar to this.

Believing the team is the worst thing ever is their safe space. I get it, it’s frustrating to watch this. It’s hard to be rational when the team is shitting the bed, but it doesn’t make what you said any less true.

 

[Triumph]

Not to mention that these so-called examples are being taken completely out of context. None of those bad stretches cited occurred to start the season, that’s a huge difference. We don’t know what each teams situation was during those bad stretches too...were there significant injuries? Long road trip? We’re they playing well but just snake bitten for a bit? I’d be willing to bet quite confidently that all or some of those factors came into play. Whereas this joke of a team is fully healthy, it’s the start of the season, and the actual play on the ice is a ****ing tragedy.

These cited examples are really disingenuous. That’s like next level denial going on.

The team isn't fully healthy, they're missing their top penalty killer. And while Greene has been bad 5 on 5, he's not going to be worse than Carrick on his wrong side. That's not causing all of the problems, obviously - they would still be quite bad without Greene, but his absence is not helping.

I also wouldn't be shocked if it turned out Schneider is playing through something.

Also Hynes has been here for 5 starts of seasons and actually most of them have been good. The Devils started 4-0 last season (or 5-2-1, whatever you want), they started 9-2-0 in 2017-18, they started 9-3-3 in 2016-17, and while they started 0-3-1 in their first 4 games in 2015-16, they were 10-6-1 by November 14. It's the one thing that hasn't been ultimately bad over his tenure.

 

[JimEIV]

5 game losing streak, all in regulation, for Columbus last year.

They had won 4 in a row before that streak... That streak was games 47 through 51 and they had already won 28 games by mid January....you think we'll have 28 wins by January 15th like they did?

The Devils are sunk already.

 

[Tretyak 20]

The team isn't fully healthy, they're missing their top penalty killer. And while Greene has been bad 5 on 5, he's not going to be worse than Carrick on his wrong side. That's not causing all of the problems, obviously - they would still be quite bad without Greene, but his absence is not helping.

I also wouldn't be shocked if it turned out Schneider is playing through something.

Also Hynes has been here for 5 starts of seasons and actually most of them have been good. The Devils started 4-0 last season (or 5-2-1, whatever you want), they started 9-2-0 in 2017-18, they started 9-3-3 in 2016-17, and while they started 0-3-1 in their first 4 games in 2015-16, they were 10-6-1 by November 14. It's the one thing that hasn't been ultimately bad over his tenure.

Ok, so explain to me why they suck 5v5, 5v4 and 5v3.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Believing the team is the worst thing ever is their safe space. I get it, it’s frustrating to watch this. It’s hard to be rational when the team is ****ting the bed, but it doesn’t make what you said any less true.

“ Safe space” Thanks for that I needed a good laugh this afternoon after my flight got delayed.

I think you’re projecting. Looking at this abomination and thinking it can be equated with a mid season slump that a couple of legit playoff teams went through last year must be very comforting.

 

[Oneiro]

I mean, I don't think fans are upset because the team started this way and it's an unusual thing particular to this season. They're upset because it's a continuation of the stuff that's tanked the team for 3 of the last 4 years, and the roster has improved every year but the mistakes remain the same.

So bringing up similar streaks from other circumstances is pointless.

 

[FooteBahl]

Expect the unexpected. Hype pre-season, no win yet. Zero expectations for tomorrow, but we'll hand the Rags a 5-0. Tomorrow we launch our season, baby. Let's do it! I called it.

From your mouth to Marty Brodeur's ears!