GDT: step back, the coyotes @ the hcanes 11/1

[Buenos Necas]

At the request of HG, here's my low-effort GDT...

hcanes lines from the gameday hub (didn't realize that was a thing):

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Tlusty-E. Staal-Skinner
Gerbe-Nash-Lindholm
Malone-McClement-Dwyer
Terry-Rask-Boychuk

Sekera-Faulk
Hainsey-Bellemore
Harrison-Gleason

Ward
Khudobin

Grebe and Dwyer return, Semin and Liles the healthy extras. Yes, that's $10.875 mil in scratches tonight.


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Lines from Coyotes GDT:

Bodker-Vermette-Doan
Klinkhammer(lol)-Hanzal-Erat
Gagner-Hodgman-Korpikoski
McMillian-Vitale-Crombeen (lethal pp specialist)

OEL-Murphy
Yandle-Stone
Michalek-Schlemko

Smith
Dubnyk

The teams are a combined 3-11-3, should be a fantastic display.


So go canes, I guess

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[Unsustainable]

I'll be there

 

[Novacane]

Will be a decent measuring stick to how bad we suck. Eric is now back. Against a really bad team. At home after a road trip

 

[What the Faulk]

I'll be there

Say hi to the other guy.


This thread should have been themed "ghosts of free agents past". What if Semin had never returned to the NHL after leaving Washington? Spooky.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Arizona coming in off back-to-back road losses. Won't be easy.

Tomorrow the defending champs arrive also coming in off back-to-back-to-back road losses. That won't be easy either.

Could be 0-8-2 by Sunday evening.

 

[A Star is Burns]

In town for the weekend games. Just hope it's entertaining even if we lose.

 

[TheOllieC]

I thought Halloween was over.

Spooky/Scary/Ugly/Gross/RIP

 

[tomdundo]

Just in case anybody was curious about it, the Crombeen PP specialist thing is a joke from when BLaB and I played NHL14 a couple weeks back. I was playing as Tampa on some outdated/injured rosters, and my PP1 had Stamkos, Malone, Crombeen, MSL, and Hedman on it IIRC.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Anyone want tickets? I have 2 to give.

Edit: taken

 

[gocanes88]

The real story of this game... #returnofchantel

Based on her Facebook post today, it appears she'll be back tonight.

Anyone want tickets? I have 2 to give.

Check your PMs.

 

[GoldiFox]

Haven't posted this season due to work and general dissapointment with the team.

My initial thoughts looking at the lines was "holy crap that is a bad 2nd line". But then I see the 3rd and 4th lines and there is not a shade of doubt in my mind that this is the worst team in the NHL. Francis needs to ship out Semin and E. Staal to the highest bidders. There will always be desperate GMs willing to overpay for established first line talent, I don't buy the "Declining, overpaid, Canes will be lucky to get $0.50 on the dollar" narrative that many HFB members are pushing.

From an investment management standpoint Karmanos has to be thinking that adding a McEichel type talent makes this team a much more valuable asset. I just hope whoever the buyer is keeps the team in Raleigh.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And if the Canes win, you know the local media will be right out front to tell the reason you why, don't you.












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Because Chantel is back.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I thought Halloween was over.

Spooky/Scary/Ugly/Gross/RIP

 

[Michael Conforto]

Chantel is back

Other team has no chance

4-1 final

 

[What the Faulk]

Haven't posted this season due to work and general dissapointment with the team.

My initial thoughts looking at the lines was "holy crap that is a bad 2nd line". But then I see the 3rd and 4th lines and there is not a shade of doubt in my mind that this is the worst team in the NHL. Francis needs to ship out Semin and E. Staal to the highest bidders. There will always be desperate GMs willing to overpay for established first line talent, I don't buy the "Declining, overpaid, Canes will be lucky to get $0.50 on the dollar" narrative that many HFB members are pushing.

From an investment management standpoint Karmanos has to be thinking that adding a McEichel type talent makes this team a much more valuable asset. I just hope whoever the buyer is keeps the team in Raleigh.

From an investment standpoint his best bet is putting butts in the seats. As with ANY market, that means winning. A good way to not do that is to do what you suggest.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

From an investment standpoint his best bet is putting butts in the seats. As with ANY market, that means winning. A good way to not do that is to do what you suggest.

Agreed, but we aren't winning with any of these bums we have now, and haven't in years.

Someone In the org needs to understand that 1 bad year followed by McDavid or Eichel will be much better than continually trying to fix this disaster where mediocrity is the best possible outcome.

 

[HisIceness]

It would be nice to at least know what a win feels like.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

It would be nice to at least know what a win feels like.

We were the first team since the 2002 Atlanta Thrashers to go win less in October. Maybe, luck willing, we can be the first ever to go win less thru November.

 

[What the Faulk]

Agreed, but we aren't winning with any of these bums we have now, and haven't in years.

Someone In the org needs to understand that 1 bad year followed by McDavid or Eichel will be much better than continually trying to fix this disaster where mediocrity is the best possible outcome.

Assuming that moving Staal and/or Semin and adding McDavid (which is not guaranteed) would turn this team around like that. The Penguins went from 58 points without Crosby to 58 points with Crosby, and that 2005-06 team had some decent players on it.

And what happens if they end up with Hanifin or someone else? Good luck marketing him.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Assuming that moving Staal and/or Semin and adding McDavid (which is not guaranteed) would turn this team around like that. The Penguins went from 58 points without Crosby to 58 points with Crosby, and that 2005-06 team had some decent players on it.

And what happens if they end up with Hanifin or someone else? Good luck marketing him.

The Predators did okay marketing a goalie and a couple defencemen.

 

[GoldiFox]

From an investment standpoint his best bet is putting butts in the seats. As with ANY market, that means winning. A good way to not do that is to do what you suggest.

Short term yes. Long term franchise value I believe adding a talent like McDavid adds more value.

Are the Canes really going to add new fans and put butts in the seats this season by finishing 0.500 instead of continuing being the worst team in the league? I can't imagine the increase in ticket sales would be that significant. If their goal was to win now and provide some excited for the home crowd I don't believe healthy scratching their (arguably) most talented scorer is the way to go.

If you were a billionaire looking to buy a team, would you rather have a core of players that has been proven ineffective for the past 5 years or a rebuilding team headlined by the next Crosby or Malkin type talent. How much of a premium is that worth? I'm not sure, but I believe it exists.

 

[GoldiFox]

Assuming that moving Staal and/or Semin and adding McDavid (which is not guaranteed) would turn this team around like that. The Penguins went from 58 points without Crosby to 58 points with Crosby, and that 2005-06 team had some decent players on it.

And what happens if they end up with Hanifin or someone else? Good luck marketing him.

I have unwavering confidence that the Canes are easily the worst team in the league. Subtracting Eric and Semin near guarantees it.

Worst case they would lose the lottery and get Eichel, who by most accounts is still Tavares/Getzlaf level.

If they fall below that Hanifin, Kylington, Strome, Barzal, and Zacha are all high-end talents. It's a risk worth taking, things can't get much worse.

 

[What the Faulk]

The Predators did okay marketing a goalie and a couple defencemen.

They also won.

Skinner // Jordan Staal // Lindholm
Tlusty // Nash // Gerbe
Dwyer // McClement // Malone
Terry // Rask // Boychuk

That's what you're selling for a few years up front. The defense and goaltenders are not nearly good enough to cover that up.

Short term yes. Long term franchise value I believe adding a talent like McDavid adds more value.

Are the Canes really going to add new fans and put butts in the seats this season by finishing 0.500 instead of continuing being the worst team in the league? I can't imagine the increase in ticket sales would be that significant. If their goal was to win now and provide some excited for the home crowd I don't believe healthy scratching their (arguably) most talented scorer is the way to go.

If you were a billionaire looking to buy a team, would you rather have a core of players that has been proven ineffective for the past 5 years or a rebuilding team headlined by the next Crosby or Malkin type talent. How much of a premium is that worth? I'm not sure, but I believe it exists.

Crosby alone was worth 4k a night. Hurricanes averaged ~15.5k last year and have been on a steady decline since they won the cup where they averaged 17.5k a year. Now, McDavid has been compared to Crosby, so let's say that factor is roughly equal. But Pittsburgh is twice as good as Carolina right now, so McDavid would be worth 2k more a night and they would be right back to when they started winning. In theory. Chances are, that team would suck as much as Crosby's did in 05-06 and things would get even worse for a few years. Is there a Malkin to Crosby's McDavid in the system? I kinda doubt it. Oddly enough they would have the same Jordan Staal though. They could truly become a worse Pittsburgh Penguins on and off the ice.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

They also won.

Skinner // Jordan Staal // Lindholm
Tlusty // Nash // Gerbe
Dwyer // McClement // Malone
Terry // Rask // Boychuk

That's what you're selling for a few years up front. The defense and goaltenders are not nearly good enough to cover that up.

That wasn't my point. I just meant that you don't need a 50 goal scorer to market and gets bums in seats. Defense and goaltending isn't as flashy, but if it works, it works.

 

[What the Faulk]

No, I know, but how ready is everyone beyond McEichel? I don't know. And who knows when Fleury will be ready. Beyond that, you're basically looking at the same exact team, maybe minus free agents like Tlusty and Sekera. I don't think it'd work.