Injury Report: Stützle(Upper Body) - Week to Week

[Beech]

The Blackhawks and the Coyotes are 2 and 3 in terms of hardest schedule to date.

it has nothing to do with it. The basic argument is. the league front loads schedules to ensure 0.50 records. Strong teams then get an easy back half to back 1/3. weak teams get the reverse.

It is and was imperative that the Sens smoke the weak opponents. They needed 40 points from the first 30 games. They may end up at 30... or worse yet, if a loss to Detroit, then at 28.

Now do the math to get to 95-98 points against a much harder stream of opponents.

It is why NJ is the real deal. They smoked their early weak opponents. Boston, Toronto and a few other elite teams. They beat teams that last year were in the top 12..It will mean an easier back half.

 

[Korpse]

so, you feel that teams 11-16 are easy? they need to play a grand total of 45 games against playoff teams from last year. They have played 10.

That leaves 35. So in the last 52 (game 30 is against Detroit), they need to play 35 out of 52 against last years' playoff teams.

YES..I did not check every game. It is possible that the Sens do not play one of Boston, Tampa or Florida 4 games, but only 3 times...so yes, it may be 34 games out of 52.

In the end it still means a backwards loaded schedule that will have them knee deep in last years' playoff teams.

Margins in this league are so thin, there are few exceptionally good teams in the league and there are few exceptionally bad teams in this league. There are no easy games. The premise of your argument is just so flawed. Vegas didn't make the playoffs last season but sit near the top of the league with a 21-9-1, Ottawa has played them twice. Devils were a bottom third team last season, they are 21-6-2 Ottawa has already played 2/3 games against them, they finished last season with 27 wins. It's a new season there's a new order of power and referencing prior season's isn't going to tell the story.

I don't think teams 11-16 are easy there's just no difference in the teams they face in the first 30 vs the final 30. They actually play more teams within that range in the first 30.

 

[Sun God Nika]

it has nothing to do with it. The basic argument is. the league front loads schedules to ensure 0.50 records. Strong teams then get an easy back half to back 1/3. weak teams get the reverse.

It is and was imperative that the Sens smoke the weak opponents. They needed 40 points from the first 30 games. They may end up at 30... or worse yet, if a loss to Detroit, then at 28.

Now do the math to get to 95-98 points against a much harder stream of opponents.

It is why NJ is the real deal. They smoked their early weak opponents. Boston, Toronto and a few other elite teams. They beat teams that last year were in the top 12..It will mean an easier back half.

This is not how schedules are made.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This is not how schedules are made.

Ya I was going to ask for proof, then figured it was a waste of time.
Your right.

 

[JD1]

it has nothing to do with it. The basic argument is. the league front loads schedules to ensure 0.50 records. Strong teams then get an easy back half to back 1/3. weak teams get the reverse.

It is and was imperative that the Sens smoke the weak opponents. They needed 40 points from the first 30 games. They may end up at 30... or worse yet, if a loss to Detroit, then at 28.

Now do the math to get to 95-98 points against a much harder stream of opponents.

It is why NJ is the real deal. They smoked their early weak opponents. Boston, Toronto and a few other elite teams. They beat teams that last year were in the top 12..It will mean an easier back half.

That's a great theory Beech. Now use it to explain why Chicago and Arizona are 2 and 3 in hardest schedule this far

 

[Alf Silfversson]

That's a great theory Beech. Now use it to explain why Chicago and Arizona are 2 and 3 in hardest schedule this far

Because they never get to play Chicago and Arizona, respectively? Those gimme games skew the schedule stats.

Not sure if I'm joking or not.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

it has nothing to do with it. The basic argument is. the league front loads schedules to ensure 0.50 records. Strong teams then get an easy back half to back 1/3. weak teams get the reverse.

It is and was imperative that the Sens smoke the weak opponents. They needed 40 points from the first 30 games. They may end up at 30... or worse yet, if a loss to Detroit, then at 28.

Now do the math to get to 95-98 points against a much harder stream of opponents.

It is why NJ is the real deal. They smoked their early weak opponents. Boston, Toronto and a few other elite teams. They beat teams that last year were in the top 12..It will mean an easier back half.

Last season the Sens had relatively easy opponents in April.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

After that first Zub injury that was supposedly only 1-2 weeks, I'm expecting 2-3 weeks for Timmy.

 

[Golden_Jet]

After that first Zub injury that was supposedly only 1-2 weeks, I'm expecting 2-3 weeks for Timmy.

Ya instead of playing him the last 2 games of the year, maybe get him in after Christmas

 

[Beech]

This is not how schedules are made.

it is exactly how it is made

 

[Beech]

That's a great theory Beech. Now use it to explain why Chicago and Arizona are 2 and 3 in hardest schedule this far

1) Chicago is dead last in its division
2) its has played 28 games, it has played 16 games against non playoff teams... And so it has played 12 playoff teams. I hardly think that a 16:12 non-playoff : playoff is slanted against Chicago missed the playoffs last year. Thus the global league ratio it sees is: 16 playoff teams, 15 non playoff teams. So of its 28 games, the ratio should have been 13:15 playoffs, non playoffs. that is a 3 game swing. In addition it has played 3, # 7 or #8.
3) Arizona is the outlier. They have played 13:14 non-playoff, playoff...there will be exceptions.

Now take a look at Boston and see who they have played. They have been full of taking on much of last years elite

Guy...I don't make the rule...The NHL and all leagues are smart enough to understand the principle.
Keep teams in it as long as possible. Create a top, middle and lower tier schedule based upon last season. The hope is, by game 30, all teams are 0.500 plus/minus a few points. The NFL does it, The NBA, even ML with its insane number of games.

That is why you see the Seattle Seakhawks and the NY jets with good first 8 game records..then fall off. Meanwhile the 49ers and Bengals who stumbled early on, are now in gear.

There is a company in BC that specializes in schedule set-up. They write fantastic algorithms. Optimal Planning Solutions., Read up on them.

Schedules are not hap hazard.

 

[Beech]

Last season the Sens had relatively easy opponents in April.

yes, game 1-25/30 is play in your bracket. So if you finish low, you play other low teams...The goal is 0.500.
Games 25/30-65/70...Make up the difference, start playing all the teams that finished above you or below you depending on where you finished. STRONG TEAMS BENIFIT, MID TEAM GET A MINOR BENIFIT, WEAK TEAMS CAN AND WILL BE HURT. sorry about the caps lock, big fingers.
games 65/70-82....regional play, a return to a soft schedule to reinvigorate fans of poor teams.

its a formula that is old...not new

 

[swiftwin]

yes, game 1-25/30 is play in your bracket. So if you finish low, you play other low teams...The goal is 0.500.
Games 25/30-65/70...Make up the difference, start playing all the teams that finished above you or below you depending on where you finished. STRONG TEAMS BENIFIT, MID TEAM GET A MINOR BENIFIT, WEAK TEAMS CAN AND WILL BE HURT. sorry about the caps lock, big fingers.
games 65/70-82....regional play, a return to a soft schedule to reinvigorate fans of poor teams.

its a formula that is old...not new

No, that's not how it works.

Otherwise, road trips like the California or Western Canada road swings wouldn't exist.

 

[Larionov]

On Jimmy's injury, it was good to see him in the room Wednesday night having dumped the sling already. If I had to guess, I would say that his shoulder popped out and back in very quickly when he hit the boards, and it was that dislocation that caused him to head straight down the tunnel. I have dislocated my shoulder, and it is an awful feeling. Mine had to be put back in, which was simultaneously the greatest and worst feeling in my life. So now he is dealing with some pulled ligaments from the dislocation, and once those heal he's good to go. My guess is we see him vs. Boston on Dec. 27...

 

[King Karl]

Ya instead of playing him the last 2 games of the year, maybe get him in after Christmas

Getting Timmy back would be a nice Christmas present for Sens fans!

 

[Beech]

No, that's not how it works.

Otherwise, road trips like the California or Western Canada road swings wouldn't exist.

it's exactly how it works.

The Sens and the 12 teams that finish 21-32 are handed a freebie. It is up to them to make use of it. Bettman cannot make them win. He can make it easier.

In the Atlantic: 4 teams made the playoffs. Ottawa plays 4 games against them, except for one team. They MAY only see that team 3 times. SO = 4 x 4 = 16 or possibly 15 if one game drops out
The Met: 4 x 3 games = 12
The Western Conference : 8 teams at 2 games = 16

so against playoff teams = 44- 45 games

so far 10..by game 30, it will still be 10..so from game 31-82 is 52 games. The Sens have to play 34 or 35 games against last year's playoff teams. That is 34/35 out of 52. Versus 10 out of the first 30. IF THAT IS RANDOM. THE SCHEDULE MAKERS NEED TO BE FIRED.

Ottawa had one of the softest schedules...Other bottom 12 reams are a tad less lucky, but even they got favorable schedules. Arizona being the exception.

All part of a methodology to keep fan interest. Can you imagine a true random schedule? Where last years' bottom 12 met all teams in even fashion. So that the bottom teams earned 3-6 less points and the top teams earned 3-6 more points. So a 6-12 point added difference... ~ 12-14 teams would be out already and good luck selling tickets or generating interest.

Contact Optimal Planning Solutions. Out of BC. They do work for the NFL and MLB.

 

[Golden_Jet]

it's exactly how it works.

The Sens and the 12 teams that finish 21-32 are handed a freebie. It is up to them to make use of it. Bettman cannot make them win. He can make it easier.

In the Atlantic: 4 teams made the playoffs. Ottawa plays 4 games against them, except for one team. They MAY only see that team 3 times. SO = 4 x 4 = 16 or possibly 15 if one game drops out
The Met: 4 x 3 games = 12
The Western Conference : 8 teams at 2 games = 16

so against playoff teams = 44- 45 games

so far 10..by game 30, it will still be 10..so from game 31-82 is 52 games. The Sens have to play 34 or 35 games against last year's playoff teams. That is 34/35 out of 52. Versus 10 out of the first 30. IF THAT IS RANDOM. THE SCHEDULE MAKERS NEED TO BE FIRED.

Ottawa had one of the softest schedules...Other bottom 12 reams are a tad less lucky, but even they got favorable schedules. Arizona being the exception.

All part of a methodology to keep fan interest. Can you imagine a true random schedule? Where last years' bottom 12 met all teams in even fashion. So that the bottom teams earned 3-6 less points and the top teams earned 3-6 more points. So a 6-12 point added difference... ~ 12-14 teams would be out already and good luck selling tickets or generating interest.

Contact Optimal Planning Solutions. Out of BC. They do work for the NFL and MLB.

No that’s wrong,too many other factors making a schedule.

 

[Micklebot]

it's exactly how it works.

The Sens and the 12 teams that finish 21-32 are handed a freebie. It is up to them to make use of it. Bettman cannot make them win. He can make it easier.

In the Atlantic: 4 teams made the playoffs. Ottawa plays 4 games against them, except for one team. They MAY only see that team 3 times. SO = 4 x 4 = 16 or possibly 15 if one game drops out
The Met: 4 x 3 games = 12
The Western Conference : 8 teams at 2 games = 16

so against playoff teams = 44- 45 games

so far 10..by game 30, it will still be 10..so from game 31-82 is 52 games. The Sens have to play 34 or 35 games against last year's playoff teams. That is 34/35 out of 52. Versus 10 out of the first 30. IF THAT IS RANDOM. THE SCHEDULE MAKERS NEED TO BE FIRED.

Ottawa had one of the softest schedules...Other bottom 12 reams are a tad less lucky, but even they got favorable schedules. Arizona being the exception.

All part of a methodology to keep fan interest. Can you imagine a true random schedule? Where last years' bottom 12 met all teams in even fashion. So that the bottom teams earned 3-6 less points and the top teams earned 3-6 more points. So a 6-12 point added difference... ~ 12-14 teams would be out already and good luck selling tickets or generating interest.

Contact Optimal Planning Solutions. Out of BC. They do work for the NFL and MLB.

All this post does is confirm you don't understand what random means...

 

[swiftwin]

it's exactly how it works.

The Sens and the 12 teams that finish 21-32 are handed a freebie. It is up to them to make use of it. Bettman cannot make them win. He can make it easier.

In the Atlantic: 4 teams made the playoffs. Ottawa plays 4 games against them, except for one team. They MAY only see that team 3 times. SO = 4 x 4 = 16 or possibly 15 if one game drops out
The Met: 4 x 3 games = 12
The Western Conference : 8 teams at 2 games = 16

so against playoff teams = 44- 45 games

so far 10..by game 30, it will still be 10..so from game 31-82 is 52 games. The Sens have to play 34 or 35 games against last year's playoff teams. That is 34/35 out of 52. Versus 10 out of the first 30. IF THAT IS RANDOM. THE SCHEDULE MAKERS NEED TO BE FIRED.

Ottawa had one of the softest schedules...Other bottom 12 reams are a tad less lucky, but even they got favorable schedules. Arizona being the exception.

All part of a methodology to keep fan interest. Can you imagine a true random schedule? Where last years' bottom 12 met all teams in even fashion. So that the bottom teams earned 3-6 less points and the top teams earned 3-6 more points. So a 6-12 point added difference... ~ 12-14 teams would be out already and good luck selling tickets or generating interest.

Contact Optimal Planning Solutions. Out of BC. They do work for the NFL and MLB.

Lmfao, this is illuminati levels of numbers adding, holy christ.

67% of our final 52 games against playoff teams IS RANDOM. Having 50% of our final 52 games be against playoff teams (which you seem to be implying) would mean that our schedule was evenly distributed, which is literally the opposite of random. That would mean the league deliberately made the schedule as even as possible from start to finish. You're confusing random with even distribution.

This is like how mp3 players had to make it so "shuffle" would never play the same band twice in a row, because if it was TRULY random, the same band would sometimes play twice in a row. But people don't understand what random means, so they have to program that shit in.

I believe you that this "Optimal Planning Solutions" does alot of good work and have fancy algorithms. But those are focused on making optimal road trips and making the number of b2b and games against teams on the back half of b2bs, and well as other "rest day" variables where one team could have an edge over the other fair across the league. Adding this extra layer Bettman fan engagement conspiracy is pure tin foil nonsense.

 

[EXTRAS]

Any update on Zub return date?

 

[Micklebot]

Any update on Zub return date?

Probably not going to find it in a Stutzle thread, but since you asked, Garrioch mentioned the other day there's a chance he could be back for the Winnipeg game wearing a full cage (or maybe it was mask, I don't recall). He said it's possible Stu could be back at the same time.