Value of: Sobotka + Berglund

[Snippit]

What would you give up for the duo?

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[Langdon Alger]

Doubt Buffalo moves them after just acquiring them. Especially before they’ve played a game for the team.

 

[belair]

If you retained a bit on Sobotka you could probably net a 2nd or a decent prospect out of a playoff team if he doesn't suck ass in Buffalo. Berglund? Why are you trading him? Don't trade good centers. You'll never get them back.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Throw in Tage Thompson + 1st + 2nd and you could probably get a solid, O’Reilly-type center.

 

[BleedBlue14]

The value of those two combined is That of having two whipping boys to watch all year

 

[780il]

The value of those two combined is That of having two whipping boys to watch all year

Bloody priceless..

 

[Tom Hanks]

Doubt they move both. Buffalo lacked decent depth. If they can upgrade on one sure but I imagine they’ll stick around to help them be more competitive.

 

[Lunatik]

I like both guys, especially Sobotka, but I'm not sure you can find a taker for both when they make almost 7.5 million combined.

Personally I would have preferred to add either via trade to signing Derek Ryan as a free agent, but that ship has already sailed.

 

[Soundgarden]

Why would they move them? They need solid vets instead of doing whatever it was that the Oilers did for a decade.

 

[The Note]

ROR?

 

[Snippit]

Doubt Buffalo moves them after just acquiring them. Especially before they’ve played a game for the team.

It's a hypothetical more than anything. Just curious to see what value they have. Especially considering their cap hit + term

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Okay, so, honest question; I was trying to compare the ROR trade from a Sharks POV.

I would say Sobotka+Berglund have the same value as Chris Tierney and Melker Karlsson, and that is probably a bit generous anyways; right?

As a whole, a comparable package would likely be Chris Tierney, Melker Karlsson, lottery protected 2020 1st, and Joshua Norris. Right?

Personally, I would not give up a 7th round pick for this duo. 2 more years at $3.5M for Sobotka, a 30 point player, and 4 more years at $3.8M for Berglund, a 30 point player? No thanks. That’s way too much money and term for a pair of bottom-6 forwards. I would much, much rather have $7.325M in cap space to use in unrestricted free agency or the trade market. I could do a lot better than those two with that kind of money.

 

[Snippit]

Okay, so, honest question; I was trying to compare the ROR trade from a Sharks POV.

I would say Sobotka+Berglund have the same value as Chris Tierney and Melker Karlsson, and that is probably a bit generous anyways; right?

As a whole, a comparable package would likely be Chris Tierney, Melker Karlsson, lottery protected 2020 1st, and Joshua Norris. Right?

Personally, I would not give up a 7th round pick for this duo. 2 more years at $3.5M for Sobotka, a 30 point player, and 4 more years at $3.8M for Berglund, a 30 point player? No thanks. That’s way too much money and term for a pair of bottom-6 forwards. I would much, much rather have $7.325M in cap space to use in unrestricted free agency or the trade market. I could do a lot better than those two with that kind of money.

Bolded is what I expected most people to say in truth.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

If Berglund was cheaper, he’d be fine. If you retained on him, a team might take him.

Sobotka however, is another story. He’s just not at all the same player he was before he left. He’s a net negative

 

[Dbrownss]

If you retained a bit on Sobotka you could probably net a 2nd or a decent prospect out of a playoff team if he doesn't suck ass in Buffalo. Berglund? Why are you trading him? Don't trade good centers. You'll never get them back.

He's a winger pretending to be a center

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Okay, so, honest question; I was trying to compare the ROR trade from a Sharks POV.

I would say Sobotka+Berglund have the same value as Chris Tierney and Melker Karlsson, and that is probably a bit generous anyways; right?

As a whole, a comparable package would likely be Chris Tierney, Melker Karlsson, lottery protected 2020 1st, and Joshua Norris. Right?

Personally, I would not give up a 7th round pick for this duo. 2 more years at $3.5M for Sobotka, a 30 point player, and 4 more years at $3.8M for Berglund, a 30 point player? No thanks. That’s way too much money and term for a pair of bottom-6 forwards. I would much, much rather have $7.325M in cap space to use in unrestricted free agency or the trade market. I could do a lot better than those two with that kind of money.

Calling Berglund a 30 point player is funny. When he is actually a legit 20 goal scorer. Fun fact, Berglund has scored 17+ goals EVERY SEASON OF HIS CAREER. that includes lockout shortened season and injuries. He is a 20 goal scorer period and he can win face offs play 2 way hockey and provide leadership. That is easily worth ~4 mil. Not to mention he has been a better even strength scorer then RoR has been. Berglund is not overpaid. If anyone thinks 3.85 mil is overpayment for a 20-23 goal scorer who isnt a rfa is not aware of comparable contracts.

Sabres arent trading them. They are 2 good middle 6 vet forwards. Sabres still are happy with the RoR trade and we are a better team now.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Why don't the Sabres just keep them so they can ice a competent bottom six for once.

 

[izzy]

sobotka is a trash clown

idk why buffalo took him

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Calling Berglund a 30 point player is funny. When he is actually a legit 20 goal scorer. Fun fact, Berglund has scored 17+ goals EVERY SEASON OF HIS CAREER. that includes lockout shortened season and injuries. He is a 20 goal scorer period and he can win face offs play 2 way hockey and provide leadership. That is easily worth ~4 mil. Not to mention he has been a better even strength scorer then RoR has been. Berglund is not overpaid. If anyone thinks 3.85 mil is overpayment for a 20-23 goal scorer who isnt a rfa is not aware of comparable contracts.

Sabres arent trading them. They are 2 good middle 6 vet forwards. Sabres still are happy with the RoR trade and we are a better team now.

Erm, what? Berglund scored 10 goals in 42 games in 2015-2016, 12 goals in 77 games in 2014-2015, and 13 goals in 71 games in 2009-2010. Where are those numbers from?

Berglund has played 336 games and scored 134 points over the past 5 seasons. That’s an average of 67 games and 27 points per season, or 33 points per 82 games. I fail to see how calling him a “30 point player” is anything other than an incredibly accurate assessment.

ROR and a replacement level player is a significant upgrade over Sobotka and Berglund. Not sure how anybody can honestly try to argue that.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Erm, what? Berglund scored 10 goals in 42 games in 2015-2016, 12 goals in 77 games in 2014-2015, and 13 goals in 71 games in 2009-2010. Where are those numbers from?

Berglund has played 336 games and scored 134 points over the past 5 seasons. That’s an average of 67 games and 27 points per season, or 33 points per 82 games. I fail to see how calling him a “30 point player” is anything other than an incredibly accurate assessment.

ROR and a replacement level player is a significant upgrade over Sobotka and Berglund. Not sure how anybody can honestly try to argue that.

It's the mental gymnastics some Sabres fans have turned to to justify the O'Reilly trade. A late 1st, a 2nd, a good not great prospect and two borderline cap dumps was underwhelming. Most reasonable people realize Sobotka and Berglund didn't hold much value at all. They'll fill a needed role on a Buffalo team that last year had very little NHL caliber depth.

 

[67Blues]

Calling Berglund a 30 point player is funny. When he is actually a legit 20 goal scorer. Fun fact, Berglund has scored 17+ goals EVERY SEASON OF HIS CAREER. that includes lockout shortened season and injuries. He is a 20 goal scorer period and he can win face offs play 2 way hockey and provide leadership. That is easily worth ~4 mil. Not to mention he has been a better even strength scorer then RoR has been. Berglund is not overpaid. If anyone thinks 3.85 mil is overpayment for a 20-23 goal scorer who isnt a rfa is not aware of comparable contracts.

Sabres arent trading them. They are 2 good middle 6 vet forwards. Sabres still are happy with the RoR trade and we are a better team now.

You should pin that so we can discuss the reality of your statement come next April and note the disappointed tone you will have.

 

[rumrokh]

You should pin that so we can discuss the reality of your statement come next April and note the disappointed tone you will have.

The only reason any Blues fan was disappointed with Berglund is because they pinned much higher hopes on him; but someone expecting 15-20 goals and good defense will not be disappointed.

 

[Aladyyn]

We'd have to throw in some picks for a team to take these contracts.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Betglund & Sobotka for Bobby (coming in hot) Ryan.

 

[DatDude44]

If you retained a bit on Sobotka you could probably net a 2nd or a decent prospect out of a playoff team if he doesn't suck ass in Buffalo. Berglund? Why are you trading him? Don't trade good centers. You'll never get them back.

Good?