So, is the NHL going to modify the Bjugstad trade?

[thestonedkoala]

The conditions were:

• Plays 70 games in 2020-2021
• OR
• Scores 35 points in 2020-2021

I know that the conditional pick (7th) doesn't seem like much and there was a very strong chance that Bjugstad wouldn't have fulfilled the conditions even under normal circumstances, but unless (a) Minnesota goes on a deep playoff run (14 games after the regular season) OR if Bjugstad scores more than a point per every other game (.625 per game), he won't fulfill either condition right off the bat.

There is no condition in it that the 35 points had to come during a full season (important, because if you take a full season and calculate what 35 points in 82 games turns into, it goes down to 24 points in a 56 game season, which is more reasonable to hit) or that the 70 games had to be in a full season.

Just curious, because the NHL already modified a few other trades.

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[AKL]

Yes

 

[dekelikekocur]

I'm assuming 2021-2022 is a typo? Since that's next season not this season.

 

[Jacob]

70 out of 82 is like 85% which is 48 games in a 56 game season I think. 85% of 35 is 30.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'm assuming 2021-2022 is a typo? Since that's next season not this season.

Thanks. You're right. I keep thinking 21-22 since we are in 21.

70 out of 82 is like 85% which is 48 games in a 56 game season I think. 85% of 35 is 30.

The trade doesn't say anything about a shortened season and they made the trade well aware there could be an abbreviated season.

 

[zar]

The conditions were:

• Plays 70 games in 2020-2021
• OR
• Scores 35 points in 2020-2021

I know that the conditional pick (7th) doesn't seem like much and there was a very strong chance that Bjugstad wouldn't have fulfilled the conditions even under normal circumstances, but unless (a) Minnesota goes on a deep playoff run (14 games after the regular season) OR if Bjugstad scores more than a point per every other game (.625 per game), he won't fulfill either condition right off the bat.

There is no condition in it that the 35 points had to come during a full season (important, because if you take a full season and calculate what 35 points in 82 games turns into, it goes down to 24 points in a 56 game season, which is more reasonable to hit) or that the 70 games had to be in a full season.

Just curious, because the NHL already modified a few other trades.

Thanks. You're right. I keep thinking 21-22 since we are in 21.



The trade doesn't say anything about a shortened season and they made the trade well aware there could be an abbreviated season.

see Lucic/Neal trade conditions... from last year’s shortened season... yes, they will pro-rate.

 

[thestonedkoala]

see Lucic/Neal trade conditions... from last year’s shortened season... yes, they will pro-rate.

Didn't they have to an agreement from both teams?

It seems crazy that Pens traded Bjugstad knowing that the season would be abbreviated.

 

[Keeptdos]

70 out of 82 is like 85% which is 48 games in a 56 game season I think. 85% of 35 is 30.

Or 35 goals per 82 games is 0.43 gpg which would translate into 24 goals.

 

[57special]

The way Bjugstad is playing so far the Pens will not get that 7th. To put it in perspective, Victor Rask has looked much better than him....so...

 

[Yackiberg8]

The conditions were:

• Plays 70 games in 2020-2021
• OR
• Scores 35 points in 2020-2021

I know that the conditional pick (7th) doesn't seem like much and there was a very strong chance that Bjugstad wouldn't have fulfilled the conditions even under normal circumstances, but unless (a) Minnesota goes on a deep playoff run (14 games after the regular season) OR if Bjugstad scores more than a point per every other game (.625 per game), he won't fulfill either condition right off the bat.

There is no condition in it that the 35 points had to come during a full season (important, because if you take a full season and calculate what 35 points in 82 games turns into, it goes down to 24 points in a 56 game season, which is more reasonable to hit) or that the 70 games had to be in a full season.

Just curious, because the NHL already modified a few other trades.

Doesn't seem like much or is the least valuable asset possible?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Doesn't seem like much or is the least valuable asset possible?

Minnesota drafted Graovac and Haula with a 7th rounder.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Doesn't seem like much or is the least valuable asset possible?

That is irrelevant. Would you rather a 6th round pick or a 7th round pick?

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Yeah they're gonna give us back our 1st rounder and we'll win the lottery.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I mean, if the league uses the "probably would have" approach to the Lucic/Neal trade, I don't see why not.

 

[Barrie22]

I mean, if the league uses the "probably would have" approach to the Lucic/Neal trade, I don't see why not.

It was not the league though, it was calgary and edmonton that did that.

 

[Tweed]

70 out of 82 is like 85% which is 48 games in a 56 game season I think. 85% of 35 is 30.

How convenient. Leave it to a Pens fan to round up the decimals. So greasy.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

The conditions were:

• Plays 70 games in 2020-2021
• OR
• Scores 35 points in 2020-2021

I know that the conditional pick (7th) doesn't seem like much and there was a very strong chance that Bjugstad wouldn't have fulfilled the conditions even under normal circumstances, but unless (a) Minnesota goes on a deep playoff run (14 games after the regular season) OR if Bjugstad scores more than a point per every other game (.625 per game), he won't fulfill either condition right off the bat.

There is no condition in it that the 35 points had to come during a full season (important, because if you take a full season and calculate what 35 points in 82 games turns into, it goes down to 24 points in a 56 game season, which is more reasonable to hit) or that the 70 games had to be in a full season.

Just curious, because the NHL already modified a few other trades.

Technically, since this season is only taking place in 2021, the conditions already cannot be met as they are written

 

[thestonedkoala]

Yeah they're gonna give us back our 1st rounder and we'll win the lottery.

Since they already did that last year, can't see them doing that this year.

Technically, since this season is only taking place in 2021, the conditions already cannot be met as they are written

Isn't this still considered the 20-21 season though?

 

[MessierII]

It was not the league though, it was calgary and edmonton that did that.

No why would Edmonton agree to that? It was a ruling by the league.

 

[Barrie22]

No why would Edmonton agree to that? It was a ruling by the league.

Because they did, it was said that the 2 teams agreed to allow it at the time of the ruling. The league gave them the chance to renegotiate the terms or allow the old terms under the premise under a full season the things would of been hit.

 

[SomeDude]

Didn't they have to an agreement from both teams?

It seems crazy that Pens traded Bjugstad knowing that the season would be abbreviated.

The Pens don't care if they get a 7th round pick. They just wanted Bjugstad's contract gone.

 

[MessierII]

Because they did, it was said that the 2 teams agreed to allow it at the time of the ruling. The league gave them the chance to renegotiate the terms or allow the old terms under the premise under a full season the things would of been hit.

Link?

 

[thestonedkoala]

The Pens don't care if they get a 7th round pick. They just wanted Bjugstad's contract gone.

They are also paying Minnesota. I'd think they would care to get a draft pick or not since they have so little in this year's draft as is.

 

[North Cole]

Because they did, it was said that the 2 teams agreed to allow it at the time of the ruling. The league gave them the chance to renegotiate the terms or allow the old terms under the premise under a full season the things would of been hit.

That kind of just sounds like the NHL made the decision to enforce the proration.

Doesn't really sound like there was much alternative - Oilers ask to defer the conditions a year, or reduce the pick to a 5th or something. Calgary obviously says no because its not in their interest to wait or get a lower pick, if they know the NHL is just going to force the original conditions.

Boom, teams can't make an agreement, original conditions enforced. I guess there's the illusion you have a choice, but Calgary isn't taking anything less than what the contract stated once the NHL says, "figure something out or take a third". Makes sense for both teams to just get it done, but it seems straight forward that's the leagues doing, not the teams.

Its like the pirate left on an island with one bullet. Starve or shoot yourself... sure he makes the choice to shoot himself or starve, but either way he's dead. (Unless he can find some sea turtles, mate)

 

[57special]

Well, Bjugstad looks like absolute crap so far, so there's that.