Emelin is a big guy, should he be fighting too?
I'm a strong believer in 'answering the bell' when you've got the frame and strenght of a Eller. What type of message does it send to a Subban who ends up having to wash his dirty laundry by himself vs Scrubby McKenzy after a dirty hit ? That his team is made of a bunch of smurfs and sissies.
I'm a strong believer in 'answering the bell' when you've got the frame and strenght of a Eller. What type of message does it send to a Subban who ends up having to wash his dirty laundry by himself vs Scrubby McKenzy after a dirty hit ? That his team is made of a bunch of smurfs and sissies, that won't even dare protecting themselves nor their star players. And if I recall MT didn't go all out benching Subban or blaming him for fighting, he backed him up. Do you seriously think MT would be pissed off losing Eller (one of the least used forwards) in a fight ? What worse for Eller ? Having his ice time reduced to under 10 mins ? Or looking like a sissy who won't even drop his gloves to defend himself, turtling and begging for the refs to do something, in front of millions of viewers ? Show some cajones for sakes, hold on for dear life but at least drop 'em. *****slap Semin is now tougher than Eller.
Apples and oranges.I'm a strong believer in 'answering the bell' when you've got the frame and strenght of a Eller. What type of message does it send to a Subban who ends up having to wash his dirty laundry by himself vs Scrubby McKenzy after a dirty hit ? That his team is made of a bunch of smurfs and sissies, that won't even dare protecting themselves nor their star players. And if I recall MT didn't go all out benching Subban or blaming him for fighting, he backed him up. Do you seriously think MT would be pissed off losing Eller (one of the least used forwards) in a fight ? What worse for Eller ? Having his ice time reduced to under 10 mins ? Or looking like a sissy who won't even drop his gloves to defend himself, turtling and begging for the refs to do something, in front of millions of viewers ? Show some cajones for sakes, hold on for dear life but at least drop 'em. *****slap Semin is now tougher than Eller.
Apples and oranges.
Subban took a bad hit and stood up for himself. Understandable.
Eller was in the midst of a 4-1 shellacking of the Bruins when some guy trying to spark his team tries to fight him. Absolutely no reason to engage with him. How can you not see the difference here?
Therrien stated after his fight against Florida that Subban needs to stay on the ice. And if I were Eller I would much rather produce offensively than get benched for fighting. Nobody cares about him turtling outside of HFBoards, apparently.
And if I recall MT didn't go all out benching Subban or blaming him for fighting, he backed him up.
Eller himself is probably embarassed watching the tapes. 90% of players want the fighting to stay in hockey, but for some reason you think that nobody but HFboards cares.
Go figure.
Eller himself is probably embarassed watching the tapes. 90% of players want the fighting to stay in hockey, but for some reason you think that nobody but HFboards cares.
Go figure.
Who cares why he jumped him? His team was getting it's ass kicked and he was either upset or wanted to start something... either way I couldn't care less. Makes no sense to engage with them. They do this all the time and we never engage. That's one of the reasons we always kick their ass.Hayes jumped Eller out of frustration, not to spark something for his team.
He did add insult to injury, he refused to fight the guy. Just like we always refuse them when they do stupid crap like this. We should've got a PP out of it. That would've added even more insult to injury.Eller should've added insult to injury. Not like Hayes has a history of being a good fighter. Also, Eller held him with his gloves on, hinting that had he drop 'em he would've had the upper hand.
Mitchell would've been stupid to fight at that point too.Anyway, it's just a personnal preference of mine. I like Eller he gives it all on the ice and he's the perfect third liner, can chip in some goals here and there and is tough to play against. I just didn't like the message he sent to his teammates. Exactly the opposite of what a guy like Mitchell sends to his teammates, Mitchell who's weaker than Eller, who will take his toll to defend his teammates. I kind of apreciate those types of players.
Emelin is a big guy, should he be fighting too?
He had a severe jaw injury I believe from playing hockey in Russia and he is risking it to be in a fight. Even if you are being sarcastic.
Yes, Eller is embarrassed he refused to fight a thug who wanted to fight in a 4-1 game with 2 minutes to go in a fight that had no purpose than to rile up his neanderthal fans who were embarrassed at the effort their own team put in a game on national television.
Maybe Hayes should have put some effort into playing hockey earlier in the game so his team didnt get embarrassed in the worst beating at a winter classic ever. Eller has no business answering a pointless fight at that point of the game from someone twice his size whose posterior is sore from taking the worst beating at a winter classic.
talk the talk and walk the walkthat's kind of rich for Eller who got all handsy at the 20 minute mark of the game that the caps manhandled us.
If you dont want to fight, then dont. But the idea that you can get all grabby with a guy in a scrum and keep your gloves on and that forces him to respect your reticence in a quaint little idea completely removed from reality.
if you want to send a signal to everyone else that your willingness to standup for yourself, or a teamate, is context dependent, why not just go out there and wave the white flag from the jump ?
that's kind of rich for Eller who got all handsy at the 20 minute mark of the game that the caps manhandled us.
If you dont want to fight, then dont. But the idea that you can get all grabby with a guy in a scrum and keep your gloves on and that forces him to respect your reticence in a quaint little idea completely removed from reality.
if you want to send a signal to everyone else that your willingness to standup for yourself, or a teamate, is context dependent, why not just go out there and wave the white flag from the jump ?
[mod] MT said that "PK needs to stay on the ice", meaning he was NOT happy he fought.
Yeah, and what were people saying when he did that? stuff along the lines of "Big man Eller getting physical when the game is over, where was that intensity during the game"? So the haters hate when he's physical for no reason, and the haters hate when he's not physical for no reason. Haters gonna hate no matter what Eller does.
You tell me then
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20152016/TV020519.HTM
Tinordi gets in a fight at the 12 min mark of the first period. Until that point, he had 4 shifts: 35 seconds, 45 seconds, 52 seconds, then his fourth shift of 6 seconds because it led to a fight.
He gets out of the box around the 17:30 min mark, but doesnt see the ice the rest of the period, neither does Emelin (his partner that game).
Second period he has 4 shifts: 19 seconds, 90 seconds, 10 seconds, 20 seconds.Third period he had 3 shifts: 44 sec, 44 sec, 14 sec. It very well could be due to score effects, but I'll go with benching.
Malakhov was a lazy player, who could of been one of the great D of all time. I remember how easy he could skate. The other thing is he had a temper Larry Robinson style and if he dropped the gloves the other player found out quickly for a Russian, he can fight.Barnaby once turtled against Malakhov but i can't find the video.
The video of it was deleted but you can read the comment
http://gamesofchess.com/237/matthew-barnaby-vs-vladimir-malakhov/