Since 2000 - Top 10 defensemen - #3

[K9]

Souray was my 2nd favorite player of the 2000's after Koivu by far so this is an easy vote for me.

That being said, Hamrlik was no slouch for us. Great all around defenceman.

There is a huge drop off after the top 4 though. It will get interesting.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I'd say Souray had 3 very nice years, topped by the monster year. Hamrlik had a couple good years and a couple mediocre ones. I voted Souray. I think his defensive issues get overstated at times. (He had issues - just they are overstated). I voted Souray.

Rivet and Gorges are up next. Solid enough guys... says something about our D in the last decade+, though. :S

He said it for me.

And Souray had an absolute howitzer and won games by that alone.

 

[Mike8]

Souray was a lot of fun, for more than just his shot. Hamrlik was just solid, though. And for that reason, Hamrlik gets the nod from me. I don't even think I'd put Souray #4 necessarily.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

I just had to go with Skillsy.

 

[Ineverplayedthegame]

Hamrlik gets my vote, Souray's big season was mostly due to the crazy amount of powerplays around the league for the first few years after the lockout (fun fact: Hamrlik had more ES points every season he was with the Habs than Souray did during his 64 pts season) and he did a terrific job replacing Markov who was injured alot during the last two years that he was here.

HM to Wiz, I know he wasn't here that long so he's not in the poll but he was awesome. He missed lots of game to injury the last two years but he was really good for the Blue Jackets last season. It actually looks like his deal might end up like the Hamrlik one, UFA deal that every one laughs at, that ends up being really good in insight.

 

[MXD]

The next two are easily the 44's.

But I have to go with Hamrlik here.

 

[le_sean]

Hamrlik was great his first two seasons then took a nosedive and became atrocious.

Souray had his moments defensively, but he was fantastic offensively. Plus I've never seen a fighter of his quality for the Habs (non-enforcer). He didn't fight often, but watch the **** out if you ever angered him.

 

[Ezpz]

Hamrlik was great his first two seasons then took a nosedive and became atrocious.

Souray had his moments defensively, but he was fantastic offensively. Plus I've never seen a fighter of his quality for the Habs (non-enforcer). He didn't fight often, but watch the **** out if you ever angered him.

Hamrlik was never atrocious with us. His nosedive was with the Crapitals.

 

[Naoned]

Hammer for me.

 

[DenverHabsFan]

Voted for Hammer because his wife is so hot.

 

[GREMLIN]

Komisarek was actually the best of the bunch while he was here

 

[boompuffboom]

man that list is depressing. who's gonna bother voting for Dykhuis and Dandy and the likes... =(

 

[boompuffboom]

also, wouldn't Malakhov be on this list?

 

[Monctonscout]

With a whopping 94.24%, Andrei Markov was voted as the #2 Habs d-man since 2000.


1) PK Subban (47.65%)
2. Andrei Markov (94.24%)

Who will #3 be?

No way PK should be ahead of Markov. PK wasn't even around for 6 or 7 of Markov's years. Markov should be #1 by a landslide.

 

[DenverHabsFan]

That list pretty much sums up why we haven't won a cup in two decades.

 

[le_sean]

Hamrlik was never atrocious with us. His nosedive was with the Crapitals.

He became very bad, especially his last season. He skated like a tortoise, constantly getting beat. My grandmother also shot harder than him, therefore he provided little offence either.

Obviously in general terms he was always serviceable, but compared to his first two seasons, it was night and day.

 

[TRG]

Yeah he slowed down after being overused. Just like Markov the past two years.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah he slowed down after being overused. Just like Markov the past two years.

But at least Markov's defensive abilities have more to do with fantastic stick work. Hamrlik had to rely more on physicality. Plus Markov actually provides high-end offensive skills, so even if he does diminish defensively, he'll have a use.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Yeah he slowed down after being overused. Just like Markov the past two years.

Markov has never been as bad as Hamrlik was his last two years. Hamrlik is closer to Gorges than to Markov and they don't belong in the same sentence. Markov was a top15 d-man in the league at the time of his injuries -- Hamrlik's jack of of everything, master of none schtick could soak up a lot of minutes but wasn't particularly good.

Souray on the other hand had 3 GREAT years on some really poor, really poorly coached teams.

 

[swimmer77]

But at least Markov's defensive abilities have more to do with fantastic stick work. Hamrlik had to rely more on physicality. Plus Markov actually provides high-end offensive skills, so even if he does diminish defensively, he'll have a use.

Hamrlik's Last Hab Year: 34 Pts, 22 TOI/G

Markov's Last Hab Year: 43 Pts, 25 TOI/G

A younger Markov so much better than an older Hamrlik, so much better.

 

[le_sean]

Hamrlik's Last Hab Year: 34 Pts, 22 TOI/G

Markov's Last Hab Year: 43 Pts, 25 TOI/G

A younger Markov so much better than an older Hamrlik, so much better.

This is the exact argument someone that does not watch hockey would make.

You conveniently ignore the year before when Hamrlik had 26 points in 75 games, whereas Markov had 30 points in 48 games, including 10 goals, a total Hamrlik last reached when he was 27.

But all you have to do is have watched them both to realize Hamrlik was barely a passable 2nd unit PP guy, whereas Markov is an excellent 1st unit QB.

Ridiculous argument.

 

[swimmer77]

This is the exact argument someone that does not watch hockey would make.

You conveniently ignore the year before when Hamrlik had 26 points in 75 games, whereas Markov had 30 points in 48 games, including 10 goals, a total Hamrlik last reached when he was 27.

But all you have to do is have watched them both to realize Hamrlik was barely a passable 2nd unit PP guy, whereas Markov is an excellent 1st unit QB.

Ridiculous argument.

And you are ignoring the stats for the year I posted. I guess we're even.

Markov has high end skills - no doubt. I just think you're cutting Hamrlik short when his responsibilities included much more while Markov was out. That's all.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

And you are ignoring the stats for the year I posted. I guess we're even.

Markov has high end skills - no doubt. I just think you're cutting Hamrlik short when his responsibilities included much more while Markov was out. That's all.

Hamrlik trying to fill in Markov's void was still not passable as a #1 or a #2 (due to his terrible PP presence).

But you're a well known, prevalent Hamrlik fanboy. So, there isn't much to argue here.

 

[Et le But]

The dropoff after two is pretty dramatic.

Hamrlik trying to fill in Markov's void was still not passable as a #1 or a #2 (due to his terrible PP presence).

But you're a well known, prevalent Hamrlik fanboy. So, there isn't much to argue here.

I also knew I'd find you arguing against Hamrlik.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I also knew I'd find you arguing against Hamrlik.

This play is ingrained in my retinas.