GKJ
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Fire Sather said:As far as im concerned, EVERYONE is wrong, EVERYONE is at fault until something is signed
I am on the side of the fan. The fan wants hockey, no matter which side "wins"
Screw the Owners, screw Bettman, screw the players.
go kim johnsson said:"Nothing more clearly demonstrates the union's unwillingness to acknowledge or meaningfully address this league's problems than this recycled proposal." -Bill Daly
So instead of neogeotiating, you left the meeting? I find that clearly demonstrating that the NHL's unwillingness to acknowledge or meaningfully address the NHL's own self-centeredness, whining and crying that they're not getting what the want is a personal problem.
The players shouldn't have to bail the owners out of their own mistakes...
go kim johnsson said:The players shouldn't have to bail the owners out of their own mistakes...
The union says of the $224 million NHL teams claimed to have lost last year, $170 million was concentrated on just six teams.
ceber said:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3000694
If that is accurate, those six teams should be shut down. Problem almost solved. I don't see why every team in the league should be guaranteed a profit, which is what the NHL seems to be going after. Where's the impetus to improve your team if you know you'll make money no matter what?
On the other hand, I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the league as a whole to expect to make a nice profit when attendance is good. The NHLPA doesn't appear to agree with that, though. In my opinion, their stance seems very short-sighted.
ceber said:If that is accurate, those six teams should be shut down. Problem almost solved. I don't see why every team in the league should be guaranteed a profit, which is what the NHL seems to be going after.
ceber said:So, what can you do about those six teams? Is solving the problems with those six teams going to do enough to fix the problems with the league as a whole? Seems like both sides are ignoring the big problem and trying to "win" these negotiations. Maybe if they started by trying to come up with a solution that helps to fix problems with just those six teams and then worked from there, we'd see more progress.
JWhelan said:Why should the NHLPA pay for the mistakes of the owners and Bettman? The NHL wanted teams in areas that never even heard of hockey. Which creates more "fringe" players, which in turn drive up salaries as a whole.
The owners are the ones offering and paying the large salaries.
You can not blame the players for accepting them....
If I was a player, and I was offered $5,000,000/Year, I would accept it in a heartbeat even though I was only worth $1,000,000/Year.
Can anyone really blame the current NHL financial situation on the players? Obviously Bobby Holik is going to accept the $8,850,000 he made last year, even though he is worth no more than $2,000,000/Year.
I really needed to vent, I am furious that there might be no hockey this year. The only thing good that could come out of it, is some of the teams folding. Nashville? Atlantia? Florida? Tampa Bay? etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but Tampa Bay had around 8000 fans show up for the Stanley Cup Parade??? Get rid of the teams that exist in places where Bowling is more popular than hockey.
If what I have said does not make sense, it is because I get pretty upset thinking about this CBA stuff....
Just my opinion and 2Cents worth.
ceber said:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3000694
If that is accurate, those six teams should be shut down. Problem almost solved.
PecaFan said:Hardly. First of all, take them away, and you're still left with a business that's losing somewhere from $60 to $100 million a year, and increasing each year. The easy revenue streams have been tapped, you can't just add new stadiums, more skyboxes, third uniforms like they could during the past eight years.
Further, these aren't independent franchises, where you can just shut down one without affecting the others. Tossing away six franchises is going to massively hurt the league, not help it.