Sheldon Keefe out in Toronto

[kylbaz]

His structure works in the reg season.

He doesn't adapt in the ploffs, and has been figured out by coaches who gameplan for it.

Am I in the jets forum? Because I feel like I am

 

[BB79]

His structure works in the reg season.

He doesn't adapt in the ploffs, and has been figured out by coaches who gameplan for it.

Didn't he say something along the lines of "teams come in and wait for the Toronto Maple Leafs to beat themselves"? He pretty much said it himself

 

[Warden of the North]

Didn't he say something along the lines of "teams come in and wait for the Toronto Maple Leafs to beat themselves"? He pretty much said it himself

Correct

 

[Breakers]

after that overtime goal Brind'Amour is essentially the leafs next coach

 

[McDrailers]

It

after that overtime goal Brind'Amour is essentially the leafs next coach

would take a lot IMO but that would be huge for the Leafs.

Side note this anime ad that keeps shrinking my screen is more painful than watching Marner

 

[benedictTavares]

The coach is not the issue. What do you want someone who is going to come in and ride player(s) hard. Won't work with this roster they will revolt and it would be a mess.

 

[Koivu11]

Babcock was right about this core.

He was right about being in love with Zach Hyman as well.

I remember Leafs fans complaining about him being on a line with Matthews.

 

[The Expert]

Fire Keefe and run it back, classic.

 

[JAK]

What else did we expect? Hold the players accountable?

Keefe's contract extension hasn't even kicked in yet either

 

[chaser17]

So THAT'S who was coaching Marner to be soft and not give a shit. I'm glad they figured it out.

Marner got a free pass the second the Babcock stuff came out and everybody felt sorry for him. Babs went about it the wrong way but had the right idea in trying to toughen him up.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

Soft, weak, fragile and heartless. 5 decades plus of doing the wrong things and expecting success despite continuous failure.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

They probably find the most experienced coach with success or try and bribe Jon Cooper.

The best one I think they go after is Todd McLellan.

Off topic, one guy I think people are sleeping on is Jeff Halpern.

 

[Warden of the North]

He was right about being in love with Zach Hyman as well.

I remember Leafs fans complaining about him being on a line with Matthews.

It's almost like he got better as a player.

Nah. Couldn't be.

 

[Peasy]

He was right about being in love with Zach Hyman as well.

I remember Leafs fans complaining about him being on a line with Matthews.

Yeah Hyman today is the Hyman that first entered the league

People were annoyed he was permanently stapled to his side his entire rookie season. Hyman finished with 28 points in 82 games. Matthews led the team with 69.

The revisionist history on this site is always on another level.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

So THAT'S who was coaching Marner to be soft and not give a shit. I'm glad they figured it out.

Show me all these videos of Patty Kane blowing guys up, and grinding for pucks in corners. I'll wait.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Should've been fired immediately after the handshake line comment

They need a coach who knows how to establish a winning culture, not some sadistic authoritarian but a real leader

Dallas Eakins is the perfect fit.
Toronto Marlies boy, chop woods carry water...
The real question is: Can Matthews learn how to play the swarm.

2025 cup incoming!

 

[Danarqhy]

What else did we expect? Hold the players accountable?

Keefe's contract extension hasn't even kicked in yet either

HTF do you hand out an extension to a coach if you're not willing to commit to him past 1 season, with the extension kicking after that 1 season? We all knew Keefe was gone if he didn't achieve anything this post season yet he was still given an extension. Comical levels of mismanagement in Leafland.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Ain't happening.
Marner would be wise to play out his contract, test the UFA market and watch the leafs get nothing.

Well then I hope he has an incredible contract year for the Leafs next season. We can enjoy the cap space after that

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

The press is on right now. Can't wait to hear about the hiring of Jay Woodcroft as the Leafs new head coach.

 

[Divine]

HTF do you hand out an extension to a coach if you're not willing to commit to him past 1 season, with the extension kicking after that 1 season? We all knew Keefe was gone if he didn't achieve anything this post season yet he was still given an extension. Comical levels of mismanagement in Leafland.

They did it intentionally. The Leafs always extend coaches they're going to fire as a sort of severance pay. They treat their coaches well even when letting them go. Probably to make it more desireable for future coaches to want to coach there.

They did the exact same thing with Ron Wilson, Carlyle, etc. Basically every full-time coach that was on an expiring deal got a multi year extension right before they were fired.

 

[thegazelle]

The press is on right now. Can't wait to hear about the hiring of Jay Woodcroft as the Leafs new head coach.

I am watching this press conference, and the fact that none of the guys are pinpointing what the problem is but continue with platitudes of "we want to make this team successful" and "we strive to be better" is symptomatic of the core problem. At least Keefe was honest, forthright and has the integrity to say that performance has been a failure. These guys are part of the problem if they can't admit that. Seems like excuses are being made with general comments.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I am watching this press conference, and the fact that none of the guys are pinpointing what the problem is but continue with platitudes of "we want to make this team successful" and "we strive to be better" is symptomatic of the core problem. At least Keefe was honest, forthright and has the integrity to say that performance has been a failure. These guys are part of the problem if they can't admit that. Seems like excuses are being made with general comments.

I am watching it too and it looks like the Leafs management don't want to hurt the feelings of their core players. Soft as butter ownership.

 

[thegazelle]

I am watching it too and it looks like the Leafs management don't want to hurt the feelings of their core players. Soft as butter ownership.

The reporters are asking the right questions. Management are serving up softball generalist answers. Herein lines the core problem. Stubbornness and staying entrenched in a particular position and philosophy when the results clearly show contrary to their vision, is this organization's downfall, which is why ultimately unless Shanahan is gone, nothing substantive will change.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

The reporters are asking the right questions. Management are serving up softball generalist answers. Herein lines the core problem. Stubbornness and staying entrenched in a particular position and philosophy when the results clearly show contrary to their vision, is this organization's downfall, which is why ultimately unless Shanahan is gone, nothing substantive will change.

This management is not good enough. They say they want to win and will do anything blah blah blah but won't even provide any details in terms of an action plan. Just say that they are breaking up the Core 4 this summer and everyone has their answers.

 

[thegazelle]

This management is not good enough. They say they want to win and will do anything blah blah blah but won't even provide any details in terms of an action plan. Just say that they are breaking up the Core 4 this summer and everyone has their answers

I don't know if Shanahan realize what he just said at the end there. He said that they have to assess the team at the end of this season. The reporter said well, why didn't you do this last year. He said they do it every year.

That makes this even worse. If the results of their assessment results in the same results one has to question either the methodology of the assessment and more to the point, whether the people doing the assessment are the right people for the job.

So imagine this mentality and culture permeating throughout the organization. No wonder the on ice product has remained stagnant.